Talk:𐌰𐌽𐌰𐍃𐍄𐍉𐌳𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌹𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍆𐍃

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BOT OWNERS
Nobody on this wiki has the ability to give a bot flag! There are no bureaucrats here. At most we can give you support for your bot flag.
We've got enough Interwiki bots to make our ears bleed, and only a few articles to actually use them on, but we will accept your bot, provided that it does not transform Gothic characters into XML entities. If it does and we catch it, we will ban the bot from edits. The issue with Interwiki links here is they really add so much markup that articles which are only a sentance long get displayed as the longest pages on the wiki, despite them not being that at all.

Installing the fonts

Great, you have to download and install the fonts. I did so for two of the fonts ... and then what? I cannot see anything but empty rectangles, yet. I tried with Opera, Firefox and Maxthon (IE) - neither of them works (all have been restarted before trying).

So what exactly does one have to do to read these pages? Please write to nibble.of.byte at gmail dot com.

In Windows 2000 / XP: Go to Start>Run, type regedit.exe, navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\LanguagePack" right click in the right part of the window, New>DWORD (or similar). Name the DWORD "SURROGATE" (without the quotes) and double click it and enter 2 as new value. Restart Windows. If a Gothic font is installed, Gothic should now work for most applications (if Internet Explorer doesn't work, try Mozilla Firefox, that works for me). To test, try copying some gothic text to notepad and setting the font to a Gothic font.

Hi I tried this and it doesn't work... any hints? (Running Windows XP) 198.54.202.242 12:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC) (Servien)

I've tried this too, but to no avail!!! :((( --84.114.144.54 12:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

In Linux, Surrogate Characters (used to write Gothic, 2 digital characters form one glyph) should work out of the box, and installing a Gothic font to ~/.fonts should do the trick, at least in GNOME / KDE distro's.

In Mac OS X, Surrogate Characters should just work, after installing a Gothic font.

In older versions of Windows, I have no idea, perhaps it is not possible because of bad Unicode support...

Harðor 12:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'm still unable to see Gothic, but now I know why: I am using Windows 98!

--84.160.254.145 06:41, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Some people say they have made them work on Windows 9x [1]. I got a copy of the latest USP10.DLL and installed it but surrogates still don't work for me. It could be because other DLLs are required, recent DLL versions are flagged to disable the feature on Windows 9x, or the registry needs to be edited. It'd be helpful to see the discussion from the Unicode mailing list, but the archives are closed. G0th007

They now (after installing the latest version of USP10.dll) work on my Windows 98 computer, but only in Wordpad.--84.160.216.231 14:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right, it works in Wordpad. This means somebody could make a browser plugin or Firefox extension to make surrogates work in Win9x if they could figure out what API issues are stopping them working with other programs. G0th007

Hello, I found a intermediate way to read the texts with firefox : instead of using UTF-8, I use ISO-8859-1 (Occidental). That meens that instead of having 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌱𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌰 for "fruma maimbrana", you have 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌱𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌰, which you can read with the appropriate "codec" :

𐌰 -> a/1 ; 𐌱 -> b/2 ; 𐌲 -> g/3 ; 𐌳 -> d/4 ; 𐌴 -> e/5 ; 𐌵 -> q/6 ; 𐌶 -> z/7 ;
𐌷 -> h/8 ; 𐌸 -> þ/9 ; 𐌹 -> i/10 ; 𐌺 -> k/20 ; 𐌻 -> l/30 ; 𐌼 -> m/40 ; 𐌽 -> n/50 ;
𐌾 -> j/60 ; 𐌿 -> u/70 ; 𐍀 -> p/80 ; ð -> 90 ; 𐍂 -> r/100 ; 𐍃 -> s/200 ; 𐍄 -> t/300 ;
𐍅 -> w/400 ; 𐍆 -> f/500 ; 𐍇 -> x/600 ; 𐍈 -> ƕ/700 ; 𐍉 -> o/800 ; 𐍊 -> 900

-- Sajasazi 18:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

On Mac OS X Leopard the fonts are broken. HenryLi 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How so? Jacques Pirat 12:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Numeral policy

How should we handle numbers? At the moment, I use the Gothic glyphs representing the numbers (eg. 𐌴 = 5) but underlined and bold, like 𐌴 for 5 or 5th. What should be the policy for this? Roman, Western or Gothic numerals, and if Gothic numerals, how to put them apart from normal text to increase readability?

Harðor 12:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hails Harðor,

I think it is best to use Gothic numerals. I suggest using the Greek numeral sign after every single one. 𐌴ʹ for example is 5.

Hails Harðor jah "Anonymu",

I think the best way to imitate the Gothic numeral system is to use Gothic glyphs underlined and with two numeral signs, as ʹ𐌴ʹ.--Meljands 18:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I thought middle dots (U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT) are used for numbers, for example "·𐌴·" and "·𐌺𐌴·". +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 13:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Raison d'être

why was this wiki set up. there is no one working on it and no community. the people who argued to get it weren't prepared to actually do any work on it, they thought someone else would write an encyclopedia for them!

Oh shut up you stupid git

Well you have to admit he has a point. No one is working on this Wikipedia....

Hey, I am! 𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌽𐌰𐌽𐌴𐌻 17:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Bollocks you are! Look at his contributions everyone! lol

Gothic Keyboard

I've written a little piece of JavaScript to help out with typing in the Gothic alphabet: http://marnanel.org/gothic . Let me know if you find it useful. 𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌽𐌰𐌽𐌴𐌻 00:56, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I have tried your program and I find it really useful! It makes workng on the Gothic Wikipedia much easier.--84.160.210.57 15:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

If you're on Windows 2k or XP, you want to use this.

𐍄𐌷𐌰𐍄 𐌹𐍃 𐍈𐌴𐍂𐍅 𐌽𐌹𐌸𐌴. However, the character 𐌹̈ (𐌹 with two dots above) is missing. Could you modify your applet so that shift+i produces U+10339 U+0308? 88.68.216.157 00:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what you've been doing programming the gothic fonts. Further you don't seem to recognize gothic written diskussion (see "atta unsar - diskussion"). Fact is that your mutations cannot be seen in history by all users and that not only I but also other users mutating an article are not able to save the mutated text with the given script font - although it is correctly to be seen before saving. W. B. 7.9.2005

Gothic?

Howcome nobody's conversing in Gothic here? I expected to fing a thriving community of fluent Gothic speakers here. Was this encyclopedia just set up because some goths thought it would be cool to have their own Wikipedia?

There's isn't many people who knows Gothic here. I think we're 4 to speak a bit and editing more than one time, and only one of us four speaks Gothic enough to discuss in Gothic -- Sajasazi 11:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Counting the articles

Possibly, we should count a Gothic alphabet article and its Latin transliteration as one article, not two ones? The text in both of the articles is expected to be the same, only the alphabets used are different... Besides, I hope that Gothic Wikipedia will sooner or later get an automatic convertor from one graphic system to another (as in Chinese Wikipedia, where one can choose options for showing hieroglyphs either traditional or simplified), and in that case there will no longer be necessary to write separate articles in each of the alphabets. -- Alexander Gerashchenko 15:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think there is no good reason to be writing separate articles for each of the alphabets or writing the same thing twice, especially as the two copies will never be in sync. It should be easy to have an automatic transliterator like with the Chinese Wikipedia's Traditional <---> Simplified system, but someone who knows how to and has the access has to do it has to be found. There must be a place on meta.wikipedia.org to ask for help with this one. Addendum - Gothic runes should be supported too though it appears one minor letter is missing from unicode. G0th007

I'd suggest e-mailing the wikitech-l mailing list, which the developers frequent. – Minh Nguyễn / Nguyễn Xuân Minh 04:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

latin/gotic

Shouldn't the latin alphabet/gotic alphabet versions be handled trough automatic conversion, like in sr: and zh: ?

Sure, but how ? -- Sajasazi 14:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've contacted the Chinese Wikipedia to ask. +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 12:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've messaged the person here, but he's not replying. +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 12:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, have just seen this after I finished below.

My suggestion was to add a tab ┌ Gothic ┐ that calls, if clicked, the whole page again preprocessed by an algorhitm that could look as follows:

   latin->gothic (text)
     ∀ text[char]  c
       (c=('<','&')) ⇒   !convert
       (c=('>',';')) ⇒   convert             { exclude HTML and &...;}
       ((convert) ∧ ('a'≤c≤'z' ∨ 'A'≤c≤'Z'))
         ⇒ print('𐌰'-'a'+lowercase(c))
         ⇏ print(c)

I think this one should work fine.

--𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 11:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia

Hello, sorry for my english. Could you maybe please make an interwikilink from en:Wikipedia to your article about wikipedia, or create that article? Thanks a lot. effe iets anders 11:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I've never installed a language pack before.

Q: I need clear, step by step instructions. I'm on windows xp.

A: Well I cant find any (WORKING) language pack for this if you find one you can just drag and drop the TTF/file in the in the font file in control panel (MOST OF THE TIME) some times its a lot harder for XP users you put the ZIPPED file in a new folder in C:(Folder Name Here) and extract the files in the folder keep the zip file and go in your fonts file click file in the upper left corner and click install new font file and when a pop up comes up look for the file you have your font/TTF/File in the C:Drive in the lower box you should see it in the upper box click on it and install it i should be working know if not find a simpler one to use or check if it has instructions.

PS: I fixed the Grammar in your Question to avoid if there is mods MODS FURY.

broken interwiki link

The link to the German wp should be de:Hauptseite, not de:Haupseite --217.83.116.48 22:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Unicode again

No idea if this is a known problem, but searching in gothic doesn't work properly. I wasn't able to find out about where there exists a certain Lemma. Searching for 𐌳𐌰𐌽𐌰𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌺𐍃 returns no matches.

I can't help noticing that most subjects discussed here are installing unicode fonts and keyboard layout. I also can picture that entering the gothic wikipedia and seeing "?????? ???" in the first place would scare off most visitors. Wouldn't it be a better idea to have a latin version ("may be up to date") only while it is still half gothic half latin and let a script do conversions between latin and gothic for those who like it?

(Sorry if this was a revenant)

--𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 09:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm already working on an automatic gothic <-> latin transcription, but it isn't done yet. -- Sajasazi 15:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, didn't know that. In heading latin/gothic i've tried myself on a simple latin->gothic (where I see no sense actually for gothic->latin) transcription algothithm. :) --𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 15:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• If searching in Gothic script does not work: On my computer Gothic letters show as little boxes containing SIX (not 4) hexadecimal digits. That shows that Chinese characters have hogged so much room in the 2-byte Unicode character space of 65536 characters that Gothic and other less-used alphabets have been pushed into the 3-byte Unicode character space; and the searcher likely only works with 2-byte characters. (A byte is 8 bits.) 86.138.167.240 09:33, 31 Kaldmenoþs 2009 (UTC) (en:User:Anthony Appleyard)

Bot status for PipepBot

Hello! I ask for permission to run my interwiki bot PipepBot here, and to get a bot flag for it.

• Operator: it:User:Pipep
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• Software: Pywikipedia
• Have bot flag at: als, am, an, ar, az, bat-smg, be-x-old, bn, bs, ca, ceb, cs, cv, da, en, eo, et, fo, fur, fy, ga, hr, id, is, ka, ksh, la, lb, li, lv, mk, ml, nap, nds, nds-nl, nn, no, pms, roa-tara, ru-sib, scn, simple, sl, sr, sv, th, tl, uk, vec, zea
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Thank you! --it:User:Pipep 06:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See below. I support allowing this bot on this wiki as long as it doesn't mess up the Gothic like some other bots. Jacques Pirat

support, he can be trusted. --Ooswesthoesbes 09:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

PipepBot has now bot status. Thank you. it:User:Pipep 16:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Bot bit request SieBot

Please give a bot bit to SieBot, so it will not flood your RC as it adds interwiki links using pywikipedia's interwiki.py. SieBot is active on 180 Wikipedias. See the user page of the bot for more details, or check a complete overview of its activities here. Cheers! Siebrand (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we only have admins here, not bureaucrats. There isn't anyone here with the permissions to give out bot flags. You'll have to go to m:Requests for permissions --Jacques Pirat 22:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a vote at the Baurgs Brunna to allow Siebot through. I as a sysop support getting the flag. Jacques Pirat 20:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

BotMultichill

Hi, i request a bot bit for BotMultichill.

• Botmaster : Multichill
• Bot's name : BotMultichill
• List of botflags on others wikipedias: about 100+ atm (see meta:User:Multichill for the current list)
• Purpose: Interwiki (pywikipedia)
• Technical details : BotMultichill is an interwiki bot starting at the Dutch wikipedia. The bot uses the pywikipedia framework and runs day and night in autonomous mode. Sometimes the bot will run in manual assisted mode to solve interwiki conflicts. Multichill 12:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Discarding the Gothic Alphabet?

Should we not discard the gothic alphabet in order to increase the productivity on this Wikipedia? I find it kinda obstructive to read and complicated to write. The Anglo-Saxon Wikipedia is not written in runes either and flourushing!

Actually, we're waiting for someone to make it possible to write either in gothic or latin alphabet. It only needs some time. And thanks to sign your messages. -- Yadönapya 15:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It isn't actually that hard to read if you chose the right font. I actually like the alphabet, and it's easier for me to write things in the Gothic keymap. The only real issue I've found with it is that the computer treats one letter as two characters rather than one, and you have to double backspace to erase words.

And Gothic isn't as popular as Anglo-Saxon nor as well reconstructed. There is a reason why we don't have a great flow of articles. Plus if you've ever used Rune fonts you'd see they display things terribly out of proportion, and it seems that most texts we've found are written in the Latin alphabet. --Jacques Pirat 01:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon not using Runic script? Think again... ;) By the way, I wanna see some articles written here! Dont just let this wiki sit stagnant. Perhaps a good page about Wōden is in order. — Wōdenhelm 04:48, 25 Aftuma Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

• Please change to using the Roman alphabet. 86.138.167.240 22:21, 30 Kaldmenoþs 2009 (UTC) (en:User:Anthony Appleyard)

Please disregard that previous post. Write in whatever script YOUR community decides upon. Personally I'm in favor of the genuine script (do Chinese articles write in roman script? Didnt think so.), but like I said, your wiki, your choice. Wōdenhelm 15:03, 24 Fruma Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

AlleborgoBot

Hi, i request a bot flag for AlleborgoBot

• Operator: Alleborgo
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Thanks --AlleborgoBot 15:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Bot Status for Purbo_T

Hi, I'd like to ask for a bot flag for Purbo_T (contributions)

• Operator: User:Purodha = ksh:User:Purodha (b'crat @ ksh)
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Thank you! --Purodha Blissenbach 04:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Request bot flag for Alexbot

I request the bot flag for Alexbot:

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Confusion of Letters

Might it be that in certain words at this page ("𐍅𐌰𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐌸𐌿? 𐌴𐌹 𐌸𐍉𐍃 𐌱𐌿𐍂𐌲𐌿𐌽𐌳𐍉𐍃 ...", "𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐌵𐌹𐌸𐌰𐌽𐌰") thiuth is confused with ƕair (due of the latter's resemblance with the gree𐌺 theta)? --𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 11:38, 1 Jiuleis 2008 (UTC)

May I remind you of this my objection? Regards, 𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 21:08, 22 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2009 (UTC)

I don't know whether it's a problem of my PC, but I have also problems to read the gothic alphabet used in this wikipedia. Letters like the "h" have no line in the middle and the letters that actually should have lines going under the baseline don't have those lines. The "a", the "r", the "th", the "g" etc. are not shown totally. The scripture has a lot of breaks in their lines, so the letters are hard to read and are not as clear as they should be. Is this a problem of my PC? If not, the scripture should really get changed. --Zylbath 23:48, 22.02.2010 (UTC)

Category for all Runic Script pages

Can someone here create a Category for all pages which make use of the Runic script please? Thanks. — Wōdenhelm 22:03, 25 Aftuma Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

Gutarazda and Northern Caucasus

In article "Gutarazda" is written, that in gothic language spoke in Ukraine and any word about Northern Caucasus. The river Don it not Ukraine, but is Northern Caucasus. Such cities as Rostov and Taganrog also concern territorially to Northern Kaucasus.--85.26.183.48 09:42, 18 Hawimenoþs 2009 (UTC)

Where is Gothic to be spoken?

Hi there, I speak Old English, Modern German, a bit of Modern Dutch, a very small bit of Modern Icelandic, a small bit of Old High German, and now some Gothic. Is there a place on this site dedicated to speaking Gothic? Is there, maybe, also a page for the discussion of appropriate neologisms for modern ideas and terms? Be good if I could get a reply, thanks. Gott wisst

Hey, like I already said further down, there is a new association that espacially works on that questions. Forming new words, speaking in gothic etc. you could reach us at vdgs.forumieren.com. Liufos goleineis Zylbath 20:35, 12 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Small request

Hello! I am a Polish wikipedian and I would like to ask you for your help - writing a new article about former Polish President who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983 – Lech Wałęsa. I have looked for his biography in your Wikipedia but without success. Polish Wikipedians will be grateful for your help. Thank you so much in advance! PS you can find the English version of the article here. Best wishes from Poland, Patrol110 18:20, 25 Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

How to write the Gothic alphabet

Could anyone please maybe edit the MediaWiki:Edittools pages so that it includes all the Gothic letters? Thanks. Gott wisst 02:39, 18 Aftuma Jiuleis 2010 (UTC)

Why problems with this fonts?

I can read nearly all languages, but have problems with Amharic, some Cyrillic versions (Словѣ́ньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ), another language (မြန်မာဘာသာ) that I do not know. What is the reason for not seeing them? I thought that Unicode will solve all the problems. Are these languages not part of a Unicode standard? Why can the browser (Internet Explorer 8, Mozilla Firefox) can show most of them - especially Far Eastern languages - without making any modification, but not these languages and yours? Thank you for your reply. Sae1962 08:18, 17 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Install this fonts and almost all types of alphabets can be presented: Quivira, Symbola and the Deja VU fots. I promise that'll work --Saviour1981 11:19, 10 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Tatar

Dear friends, may I ask you to add a hyperlink to our Tatar Wikipedia (http://tt.wikipedia.org) to yourr Front page. Tatars - are turkic nation living in Tatarstan Republic, second biggest nation in Russian Federation. hope to hear from you soon. sincerely yours, Muhtac 22:01, 20 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Association of the gothic language

Hey there, I have founded a few weeks ago the association of the gothic language in Germany. Its german Name is: Verein der gotischen Sprache n. e. V. It's an association to talk about gothic, to help with its developpment in discovering and at least to create a somehow neo-gothic that is complete in its grammar, applyable to the modern time and that one is able to talk freely and without any problems in it. To be part of this association you don't have to do much, just send me an email, that you want to join. Since the domicile is in Germany and most of the administration is in german, it should be needy, that you know at least a bit of german. We also have a forum for discussion and the actual work and a blog for all the results. We are also at facebook unter the Name: Verein der gotischen Sprache n. e. V. We would be glad, if you join us. You don't have to pay anything to be a member in the association and you can cancel it at the end of every month. You don't have to do anything in the association if you don't want to. Maybe you just want to be a part of it. Our forum is to be find at: vdgs.forumieren.com Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 13:13, 17 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Gothic Wikipedia

This project isn't very active, most edits are done by bot users. With all respect, why does this wiki still exist (only 267 articles in almost 7 years and no fluent speakers)? I do respect people for studying this beautiful language, but unfortunately we know too little about the Gothic language to develop a full blown encyclopedia or being able to fully converse in Gothic, which is a shame, but a fact. Servien 18:29, 15 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Servien, nds-nl is a Wikipedia in a language that isn't really a language, why does your pet project exist? I do respect you for pretending it's a language when it's not, but unfortunately it's not a language so we can't develop a full blown encyclopedia or converse in what's actually several very divergent dialects, which is a shame, but a fact. --Node ue 01:17, 24 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hi there old friend :) fortunately the Dutch, German and Danish gouvernment and the European Union disagree with you. Second of all we have an active community which can't be said about this project. Servien 20:24, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I can't find a single government or institution, or more importantly a linguist, who agrees with your silly notion that NL Low Saxon is a single language, and separate from DE Low Saxon. At least Gothic is a real, single language. --Node ue 08:22, 31 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it is time to change somethings here then. A few people have asked what right this wiki has to still exist. It is amazing that it has existed for so many years but a shame that the number of articles are so low. I would like to help out but unfortunately am I not that good at handle wikipedia. Can some one explain how to write articles with gothic alphabet? Then I will do some stuff here. Gadrauhts

Nds-nl is yet not a single language but still quite different to the rest of low german dialects. Even so are all west germanic languages not directly divided into single languages but into variations that work morely than dialects of a dialect kontinuum.

Gadrauhts, you are right. Maybe I'm gonna work here a little bit as well, so that this side could be protected from closing. But I still have personal problems with the font because it doesn't really look adequate and not really beautiful. We should maybe search for another one?! Zylbath 13:12, 17 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

WHAT??

Hello, I have a really big problem. Suddenly all the gothic scripture is away. But also the one font, not the one that is used for the mainpages titles like Waist thu. Is it only my computer that doesnt display them or has something happen with the wikipedia?? Zylbath 16:07, 20 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC

Change the name of the gothic Wikipedia

I must object to the choice of name of the wikipedia. Translitterated it is wikipedja and then for encyclopedia a word egkeiklopedja is used. First of all should it in my opinion be aigkeiklaupaidja in stead, and hence Wikipaidja in stead of Wikipedja. Secondly, I would strongly suggest another word for encyclopedia which is not a loanword. I do not have a great suggestion but something like "frodabokos" could be better. --Gadrauhts 21:00, 22 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I will correct my previous suggestion. The word for encyclopedia should be "frodibokos". Since this is a word used in plural the sentence "the free encyclopedia" would be "Þos frijons frodibokos". Wikipedia would still become "Wikipaidja" with a more correct form. --Gadrauhts 16:56, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Sounds logical. Are you well versed with picture editing progammes, so that you could make a suggestion of it? We could send that to the admins, that they could upload that to the side, where such things get changed. Zylbath 17:02, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I think I can make a suggestion for a new picture. At least I will try =) --Gadrauhts 17:14, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

My suggestion --Gadrauhts 17:50, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hey, very interesting. Thank you. But could you turn the script into bold? And why are you using he form frodibokos instead of frodabokos as the gothic word list of the email list suggests? Zylbath 02:08, 27 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Yes I can change it to bold. But first we should agree if it is correct. I use frodibokos with i instead of frodabokos with a because I based this on the noun frodei wisdom. I suppose the form with -a- is based on the adjective froþs wise. I think wisdom-book is better than wise-book. As far as I have found out, feminine in-stems get -i- as compound vowel. E.g. marei + kreitus > marikreitus. Gadrauhts 14:44, 2 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanation. That sounds totally logical and I agree. I haven't found any other mistakes, but I am not the best gothic speaker. It would be nice, if you could change it into bold and I will see, what is to be made, to make a proposal to get it changed. Zylbath 15:30, 2 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

New with bold My suggestion / Gadrauhts 14:59, 7 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll see what I can do. Zylbath 17:18, 7 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Goal for got.wikipedia

Should we put up some goals perhaps for the gothic wikipedia? At this momemt we've got 275 articles which makes us number 247 just after Ewe and befor Hausa. I would say we can reach at least 300 articles this year. That wouldn't make us pass number 245 (Min Dong) but maybe give us a chance to do that next year. Note! There is no purpose of its own to spit out articles. They should have substance and quality (rather quality than quantity). /Gadrauhts 15:35, 19 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

This goal seems possible. In the moment I have very much to do, but if that is going to be less, I can do more on this wikipedia. I think that we can reach the 300 mark at the end of the year. ;)

I have a biiig demand for the admins, to unprotect the main page. The main page is totally not up to date and you, the admins, are almost not present. I would like to work on the main page. Thank you. Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 08:42, 20 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

The goal seems day by day more impossible. I hope, that I will have some time soon, so that I can work here finally a bit more. Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 18:02, 10 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of articles

How come the numbers of articles keep decreasing all the time? Some days ago there were 279 but now they are only 277. Does someone delete articles?? If so, which ones and why? Gadrauhts 08:39, 24 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

If someone would delete articles, that would be showed at the page "Aftumistos maideineis". Your problem is the cache of your browser. It saves the page for being possible to display it faster if you open it again. But then the number doesn't change or sometimes has a different number. You could either delete the cache or click Reload. If nothing helps click on Change at the haubidaseido and then just save. This won't be shown in the aftumistos maideineis but will reload your number of articles. ;) Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 16:06, 24 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Article titles

We must agree on a standard for the titles of our articles. Shall they be written in gothic, latin or both alphabets? A lot are written gothic/latin but I prefer the system of only gothic. To make this work there should hence be created a site with the same title but written in latin which is redirected to the mainarticle. So if I write 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉 in the search field I come to the mainarticle but if I write Wiko I get redirected to 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉. The system of 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉/Wiko should in my opinion not exist at all. / Gadrauhts 11:59, 5 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. This is why I already changed some. The gothic alphabet isn't the hardest and the language is Gothic here and it is written in Gothic, so the articles should be that way. So, if ever you get confronted with such sides, please change them. Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 14:56, 6 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

By the way, no article with such double names is directly foundable by typing in just one part, either the gothic or the latin writing. You always have to look at the related pages where it mostly stands, but that's no solution since this is not how wikipedia has to be. Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 15:02, 6 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Fonts

I currently have several Gothic fonts installed on my PC (Windows 7, Firefox) and don't want to uninstall any of them. At the moment, Gothic texts are displayed in my browser using a small-ish "serif-style" font which I find hard to read. Does anybody know how I can get Firefox to use another allready installed font (Skeirs) instead?

I've tried Google, but to no avail. Help would be appreciated. Torana, 22:58, 25 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉

𐌷𐌰𐌹𐌻𐍃, 𐌽𐌿 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌼 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐍃 𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐌽. 𐌸𐌰𐍄𐌰 𐍅𐌰𐍃 𐍆𐌹𐌻𐌿 𐌰𐍂𐌱𐌰𐌹𐌸𐍃 𐌹𐌸 𐌽𐌿 𐌿𐍃𐍃𐌰𐌹𐍈𐌹𐌸 𐌿𐌽𐍃𐌰𐍂𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉 𐍆𐌿𐌻𐌹 𐌱𐌰𐍄𐌹𐌶𐌰. Zylbath 17:46, 28 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Another project could perhaps be to change the text in the logo so the 𐍅 in 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌾𐌰 and the 𐌸 in 𐌸𐍉𐍃 instead are capital letters./Gadrauhts (talk) 19:28, 5 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. Actually the Gothic never had any capital letters. Maybe that'd be a bit too much. Zylbath (talk) 10:21, 6 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Isn't it the other way around, that original wulfilan alphabet only contained capital letters as also did the latin and greek originally?

/ Gadrauhts (talk) 08:48, 10 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes, in fact, that's true. But what I actually meant is, that all letters had the same size. It wouldn't be historically correct, if we change the first letters into bigger ones, if that's what you wanted. Zylbath (talk) 10:24, 13 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Do you need help?

Interesting project. Do you need some help such as templates writing or other technical things? Unfortunately I'm got 0 and understand gothic characters difficultly, but I want help :) --Base (talk) 21:07, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Well, from time to time we might need help in templates but I am pretty good in copying and so many templates are working well, because I copied them from the German or English wikipedia. Our biggest problem is the translation at translatewiki. The function has been closed and I have tried everything to contact someone to ask where I can beg for opening it again, but I haven't got an answer yet... Without this translation our page is just a mixture of English latin-Gothic and gothic-Gothic. I really need to translate that. Zylbath (talk) 11:11, 26 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

May be you should translate messages localy to Mediawiki: ns? About concact - try at some IRC chanels --Base (talk) 13:44, 7 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Writing

May be project should create convertation of writing like serbian or chinese wiki have? --Base (talk) 21:07, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

• it's conversion

    What do you mean conversion of writing? Bleakgh (talk) 19:52, 15 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

For anyone who wants to put time into it, one of the members of the Old English Wikipedia creating a bit of Javascript to do this. It can be seen here: [2] I think it would be easy enough to adapt that script for Gothic. Gott wisst (talk) 04:30, 9 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that would be perfect for this Wikipedia since we would have three scripts, gothic, latin, runic. I hope that template gets ready soon, or is it already and we could adjust for here? Zylbath (talk) 23:13, 9 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

I wrote the angwiki script, and I can create a similar one here, following the current style used in articles. In fact, I've been thinking of doing this since I created the angwiki script. Zylbath: you might remember me from WikiLang's talk page? ;) PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:47, 11 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Ah, hello! Nice to see you here! ;) Yeah, such a thing would be brilliant for this Wikipedia. As I understood it correctly it changes just the script from any script to another? So I can just click a link and the text can be displayed in latin, gothic or runic? That would be great! Zylbath (talk) 12:50, 12 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Which runic alphabet do you want? Elder Futhark? I hadn't heard of the Futhark being used for Gothic.en:Gothic runic inscriptions You can actually test the script on any page of the Old English Wikipedia. Does it need to support converting numerals? PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:08, 12 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

I am actually not quite sure, which Runic alphabet should be used. But you can find the main page in runic here: 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉/ᚺᚨᚢᛒᛁᛞᚨᛊᛖᛁᛞᛟ. And yes, it should automatically convert the numbers into the Gothic numbers. That would be awesome! =) Zylbath (talk) 13:25, 13 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit busy, so don't expect this soon. ;) Also, I am fixing up the Old English one. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:30, 28 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, it is not urgently as here is not traffic anyway. =P Take your time. Zylbath (talk) 17:30, 28 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

I didn't think that there were any examples of Gothic being written in Runic (also not Latin, actually)? I myself would want to avoid encumbering the Wikipedia with another page version. Gott wisst (talk) 00:00, 17 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

There are some example of Gothic in Runic alphabet: Gothic runic inscriptions. But I agree, they are very few in number. Having this Wikipedia provided in runic alphabet by that transliteration programme shouldn't have the biggest priority, but I guess it would be a good addition. Zylbath (talk) 09:38, 18 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

• Eh? PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:42, 24 𐍆𐌰𐌹𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌰𐍂𐌴𐌹𐍃 2015 (UTC)

If the Fonts don't work try using IE

My computer can't puck up on this font in Chrome. It works perfectly in Internet Explorer though.

1. Please always sign your posts with

~~~~

. 2. I have the same problem with Chrome and wasn't able to solve it yet. I guess you should better use Firefox instead. Try google your problem: Problems with fonts/scripts in chrome. I bett there were others with the same problem. Zylbath (talk) 20:34, 23 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

PROBLEM IN GOOGLE CHROME

Seems that I can't view the Gothic letter even after I have set up the font, what should I do? I am using Window 7.

Hey. Please always subscribe your posts on discussion pages with

~~~~

. And to the Google-Chrome problem: I have the same issue, even under Windows 8 with the updated Unicode, which has added the Gothic script. I haven't come to a solution yet, I'm sorry. Zylbath (talk) 19:50, 24 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2013 (UTC)

How to type in Gothic with Linux (directly without needing websites or software)

I decided to build a linux Gothic Keyboard Layout, here are instructions:

First you have to download ibus, once you have ibus, you can do the following:

Go to this link to download got and put it in a folder which you can remember:

http://roel.tengudev.com/Neo%20Gothic/download_keyboard_layout.php

Change got.txt to just got, remove .txt

Now follow these instructions:

1. Open a terminal window, log in as superuser. You can do this by typing: su Enter your password and you have privileges now. Type this command, in which [directory of downloaded file] is the folder in which the file is downloaded: cp [directory of downloaded file]/got /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/

Now it's added to your keyboard layout files.

3. keep your terminal window open and type: gedit /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml

Search for </layout> and choose one, directly after this copy this text :

        <layout>
        <configItem>
          <name>got</name>
          <shortDescription>got</shortDescription>
          <description>Gothic</description>
          </configItem>
          </layout>

Save it.

4. type

       gedit /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst

Type search and look for German, use the space key and add this under German:

 got             Gothic

Save it.

5. type

          gedit /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst

Do exactly the same as in step 4.

6. type

       gedit  /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml

Do exactly the same as in step 3.

7.type

        gedit /usr/share/ibus/component/simple.xml

Search </engine> and directly after </engine> paste:

    <engine>
    <name>xkb:got::got</name>
    <language>got</language>
    <license>GPL</license>
    <author>Roel</author>
    <layout>got</layout>
    <longname>Gothic</longname>
    <description>Gothic</description>
    <icon>ibus-keyboard</icon>
    <rank>99</rank>
    </engine>

8. type

   gedit /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml

Search for: Filipino (Dvorak Baybayin) and directly after </layout> paste this:

     <layout>
        <configItem>
          <name>got</name>
          <shortDescription>goth</shortDescription>
          <description>Gothic</description>
      <languageList>
         <iso639Id>got</iso639Id>
       </languageList>
        </configItem>
      </layout>

now type

   gedit /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst

Search for German and under German paste this:

        got             Gothic

9. Now you should be able to fully use the Gothic keyboard.

Bokareis (talk) 01:15, 19 𐌱𐌻𐍉𐌼𐌰𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

I don't have Linux for checking whether this works. But I wanted to say thank you for this explanation. I hope it is useful for some Linux users. Zylbath (talk) 22:29, 26 𐌱𐌻𐍉𐌼𐌰𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Gothic IRC for people which want to speak or practice Gothic

This isn't directly related to the Gothic wikipedia, but indirectly it is. If you want to practice your Gothic or speak it with others, you can go to this IRC channel with mibbit:

http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.AccessIRC.Net&channel=%23gutiskachat

If you want to use another chatservice you can visit it with:

server: AccessIRC channel: #gutiskchat

I post it at Wikipedia because a lot of Gothic speakers and enthousiasts are here and if you want to practice Gothic in order to write Wikipedia articles, it's very hard to find a place for it, so I created one here.

Bokareis (talk) 21:03, 19 𐌱𐌻𐍉𐌼𐌰𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Gothic version of Wikipedia?

Hello, I see that before you log in into Wikipedia, you can choose a language for Wikipedia, the current languages are German, English, Esperanto, French, Spanish, Italian and Dutch. Is there some place where we can request a translation in Gothic and work on that together? Bokareis (talk) 20:21, 5 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Is this correct in the main page?

I read: 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐍃 𐌸𐌰𐌽 1000 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐍃, but I have learnt that in Gothic grammar in a comparison it is said: 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐍃 1000 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐌼, so: bigger 1000 dative + noun, instead of using the word 'than' in between. Is it also usual for Gothic to use than? Bokareis (talk) 23:07, 13 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your attention. Do you have a source for that? Maybe my German came too much through it. 77.188.135.220 13:45, 17 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

My source (but I found another one too) is 'Elementair Gotisch', a Dutch book which teaches the basics of Gothic, written by J.W. De Vries.

The other source which I found is here: http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/letters.htm

If you look up 'than', you will find:

than thau; "it is better for thee...than" goth thus ist...thau; Or just use the dative: "mightier than me" swinthoza mis.

This means that if you use a dative form, you can say -er without using than. Thus, saying: 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐍃 1000 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐌼 should be correct too.

I also read in some place 𐌲𐌹𐌱𐌰𐌽, when it was about a quantity of something. I know German too and this is common use in German, es gibt ein Mann hier, which literally is: 'it gives a man here', but the word 'to give' can only be used in German like this, not in English, Dutch, French, Swedish (as far as I know). I recommend to change 𐌲𐌹𐌱𐌰𐌽 to 𐍅𐌹𐍃𐌰𐌽. Bokareis (talk) 22:01, 17 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Just for intereset: Can you cite the part in your book? I am not quite sure whether it only applies to personal pronouns. About "giban" you are totally right, in the new words section we made up: 𐌸𐌰𐍂 𐌹𐍃𐍄/𐍃𐌹𐌽𐌳 ... But I can't find it right now on the main page? Zylbath (talk) 23:09, 17 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

No, it was somewhere else.

About the cite, you can find it in the part of the book about comparatives. This website however also explains it and is written by academics:

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-4.html

   The dative case is used in conjunction with a comparative to denote the standard of reference or comparison, as denoted by the Modern English 'than'. For example, swinþō mis 'mightier than me'.

That might be easier than lending this book specially for this purpose. 84.26.254.29 18:22, 18 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Voting for a new article on the frontpage

Where is this possible? Moonspell has written a very good article. Bokareis (talk) 22:51, 21 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Some heavy changes which I will make

I see that a lot of articles don't correspond to the native Gothic grammar, which was an ommitive language regarding personal pronouns with verbs. This is simply wrong so I remove all the personal pronouns which are used together with verbs.

I want to revive Gothic, but in order to do that one big source where Gothic is used, Wikipedia, should correspond to everything we know about native Gothic. What we know is that they didn't use personal pronouns in accordance with verbs, as the verb already made clear what the personal pronoun was, just as Spanish. So I will see if I can contribute by changing this in existing articles. Bokareis (talk) 20:14, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Why is there a Gothic article with mistakes at the mainpage? Bokareis (talk) 21:29, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

'Wikipedjos in aljam razdam' should be: 'Wikipedjos in razdom aljam', because Gothic places the adjective after the noun and because razda is an o-stem, not an a-stem like used here. Can this please be changed?

Also it still says: mais þan 1000 seidos. A way to translate more than is: managiza þáu, another way could be: mais 1000 seidom. The grammar is incorrect too:

𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌴𐌳𐌾𐍉𐍃 𐌸𐍉𐌶𐌴𐌹 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌽𐌳 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐍃 𐌸𐌰𐌿 100000 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐍃

This is SVO I believe, Gothic was SOV so it should become something like:

𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌴𐌳𐌾𐍉𐍃 𐌸𐍉𐌶𐌴𐌹 𐌼𐌰𐌽𐌰𐌲𐌹𐌶𐌰 𐌸𐌰𐌿 10000 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐍃 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌽𐌳

And I see: Seidon sokjan aíþþáu meljan. May I ask why what 'seidon' means, is this in a special case? The plural of 'seido' is 'seidos', as used in a lot of places here.

Bokareis (talk) 21:40, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Main page not under protection

Hello, I changed the protection for the main page, it is not protected for the next two weeks. I ask you to change the mistakes there, but only the mistakes, not any other things. But if you have improvement suggestions for it, I'd be always pleased to hear them, we could discuss them on this discussion page. If any vandalism is going on at the main page, please tell me immediately by writing on my discussion page and/or change them on your own. Thank you very much for your contributions here and sorry again that I am so seldomly active here. :( Zylbath (talk) 11:40, 6 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Font partly changed to a very nice font!

Hey you guess,

For me Wikipedia suddenly displays bold text at pages with a very nice and read-able font. Do you also experience this? Bokareis (talk) 22:51, 19 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I am having a script similar to Ulfilas by Robert Pfeffer since quite a long time. When I came here in the first place I had a very bad font where the top of every letter was cut. But since I have the new Unicode I have it displayed quite well. It is not exactly the same as Ulfilas but kind of similar, something between Ulfilas and Skeirs. But I don't know what font it is exactly. Kevin Behrens (talk) 11:24, 20 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2014 (UTC)

I think that I have this font which you are talking about, but I can't change it for some reason. Linux standardly gives you a crap-font for Gothic which makes it very difficult to read a Gothic text. It's sadogolthina or something like that. Bokareis (talk) 12:27, 20 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Gothic wikipedia?

Why do we even have this? Tell me there's a Runic wikipedia also... IllogicMink (talk) 09:30, 20 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2015 (UTC)

Because in the early days this was requested and accepted, but currently so many people notknowing Gothic have made a mess of it as admins that a lot needs to be improved. -Bokareis

Please test VisualEditor in your language!

It is very important to us at the Editing Department that VisualEditor works in every language, for every user.

VisualEditor's editing environment is a browser ContentEditable element. This means that your input method editor (IME) should already know how to work with it. However, to make VisualEditor correctly edit wiki pages, we have to stop browsers in lots of ways from breaking the page.

Sometimes this can interfere with IMEs. To make sure we work in your IME, we need your help: please see wikimedia.github.io/VisualEditor/demos/ve/desktop-dist.html#!pages/simple.html. This is the core system inside VisualEditor which lets you write and edit. It is different from the full editor, and some of the tools you are used to will be missing.

We're interested in particular in whether you can write text at all, what happens when you select different candidate texts, and how VisualEditor behaves in general.

More details, and some early test results, are provided here: mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/IME_Testing#What_to_test.

We would love to hear from every language, and especially languages which use IMEs, like Japanese, Korean, Indic languages, Arabic and others. Thank you for your help.

Yours,

James Forrester (talk) 07:41, 22 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2015 (UTC)

Content Translation, the new article creation tool is now available as a beta-feature

Tool icon

How to use Content Translation - a short video (English)

Hello, Content Translation has now been enabled as an opt-in beta feature on the Gothic Wikipedia. To start translating:

1. Please enable the Beta feature in your preferences by checking the box for Content Translation.
2. Visit the page Special:ContentTranslation or to your contributions page to open the tool.
3. Click on the button to create a new translation.
4. In the displayed dialog select the language of the original article and the article name, and the language you would like to translate to. Also add the title of the new article (or the original title will be inserted) and click on to begin. Your language preferences will be remembered for the next time.
5. You will see a screen consisting of three columns. The first column contains the text of the source language and the middle column is for the translated text. Using the third column you can perform several actions such as insert source text, remove the inserted text source text, add or remove links etc.
6. After you translate the article, you can publish it directly as a new page on the Gothic Wikipedia by using the publish button that appears. In case the article gets created by another user while you were translating, you will see an option to save the newly published translation under your user namespace.
7. The number of published pages can be seen on the Content Translation stats page.

Since this is the first time we have installed the tool on this Wikipedia, there are chances that there may be some problems or service disruptions which we are not yet aware of. We will be monitoring the usage to check for any failures or issues, but please do let us know on the Content Translation talk page or through Phabricator if you spot any problems. For more information, please read the information available in the User Guide. Our announcement is written only in English, and we would really appreciate if this message can be translated to reach more users of this Wikipedia. Thank you. On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation's Language Engineering Team:--Runa Bhattacharjee (talk) 16:50, 30 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2015 (UTC)

Please join the 2nd edition of the VisualEditor Translathon

Hello!

I'm pleased to announce the 2nd edition of the VisualEditor Translathon.

It is a translation rally, focused on interface messages and help pages related to VisualEditor. In order to participate, you need to sign up on the Translathon page on TranslateWiki.

The top 3 contributors will each win a Wikipedia t-shirt of their choice from the Wikipedia store. Translations made between July 15th and July 19th (CDT time zone) qualify.

If you are at Wikimania Mexico this year, you are also welcome to join a related sprint during the hackathon in Workplace 1 - Don Américo, Thursday 16 July at 4pm (CDT) at the conference venue, so you can meet other fellow translators and get support if you need some.

Interface messages have the priority. You will need to create an account at translatewiki.net in order to work on them, if you don't have one. It is recommended to create the account ASAP, so that it can be confirmed in time.

You can also help translate documentation pages about VisualEditor on mediawiki.org. You can use your Wikipedia account to work there.

You will find instructions, links and other details on the Translathon page.

Thanks for your attention, and happy translating!
Elitre (WMF) 20:59, 13 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2015 (UTC)

Haubidalaufs?

Hello, why is the name of the haubidaseida changed to haubidalaufs? What is -laufs supposed to mean here? It ususally means "leaf", but I don't see why that should fit better than "seida" which is universally used in Gothic for an internet page and also by most other languages. Kevin Behrens (talk) 19:15, 28 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2015 (UTC)

The visual editor is coming to this wiki

Hello. Please excuse the English. Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

Hi everybody,

My name is Erica, and I am a Community Liaison at the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm here to let you know that the visual editor is coming to editors at this Wikipedia soon. It allows people to edit Wikipedia articles as if they were using word processing software.

You don't have to wait until the deployment to test it; you can test the visual editor right now. To turn it on, select "𐌱𐌴𐍄𐌰" in your preferences. Choose "VisualEditor" and click save. When it is enabled, you will press the "𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌴𐌹" button to edit an article in the new software. To use the wikitext editor, you can press "𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌴𐌹 𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌽𐌽𐌰𐌽".

After the deployment, everyone will automatically have the option to use either the visual editor or the current wikitext editor. For more information about how to use the visual editor, see mw:Help:VisualEditor/User guide.

More information about preparing for the visual editor is posted here.

• It's easier to add templates if you've added TemplateData information.
• Please help translate the user interface and pages about the visual editor. See the visual editor's TranslationCentral for general information. To translate the user guide, go to the MediaWiki.org page, and select "Translate this page". Your language should be available from the drop-down menu on the right. Once you've done this, you'll see the document in English, side by side with any translation work already done in your language. You can add new translations or change old translations. To translate the user interface, you need to create an account at translatewiki.net. Contact me personally if you need help with that.
• Please let us know if you find any problems. You can report issues in Phabricator, the new bug tracking system or on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org. If you notice major issues affecting your project, please leave a note on my talk page.
  Wrong target page? Fix it here • Sign up for the visual editor's multilingual newsletter

Thank you, and happy editing! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:29, 5 𐍆𐌰𐌹𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌰𐍂𐌴𐌹𐍃 2016 (UTC)

Reminder: the visual editor is coming to this wiki soon

Hello again. Please excuse the English. Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

This is a reminder that the visual editor is coming to all editors at this Wikipedia soon. As of this writing, the team is not aware of any issues specific to this language that should prevent the new software to be deployed here; therefore, please do let us know if you find any problems instead. You can report issues in Phabricator, the new bug tracking system or on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org. There is a short guide at mediawiki.org that you can follow (as if it was a "checklist") to learn about the community work necessary to adapt the visual editor, and its referencing system in particular, to your community's needs.

If you can translate from English into this wiki's language, or know anyone who can, please follow the links below, as this language still has 0% progress in translations (0% or slightly above, for interface messages). You'll help your community get the best possible experience when it comes to interface messages and documentation related to the visual editor. After you click on any links, your language should be available from the drop-down menu on the right. Once you've selected it, you'll see the document in English side by side with any translation work already done in your language. You can add new translations or modify existing ones. The interface is hosted at https://translatewiki.net; you'll need an account if you never translated there before. The user guide lives at Mediawiki.org, for which you can use your regular Wikipedia account. You're welcome to contact me personally whenever you need help.

• Interface messages
• User Guide

Thank you for your cooperation, and happy editing! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 16:34, 26 𐍆𐌰𐌹𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌰𐍂𐌴𐌹𐍃 2016 (UTC)

The visual editor will be enabled on this wiki in some days

Hello again. Please excuse the English. Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

As per previous announcements earlier this year, the visual editor (VisualEditor) will be enabled at this Wikipedia in some days. It allows people to edit articles as if they were using a typical word processor. Here's a quick explanation of what is going to happen: you can find a more detailed one, with pictures, at mediawiki.org.

What's changing?

In the new system, you get a single edit tab which follows your preferences, and that therefore will launch the wikitext editor or the visual editor depending on which one you opened the last (Remember my last editor).
This applies to everyone who edited recently, including anonymous users.

How do I switch to the other editor then?

Buttons on the toolbars of both editors were added months ago so that you can switch from one to the other every time you want to, without losing your changes and without having to save first.
The button, located on the right side of the toolbar, looks like square brackets ([[ ]]) in the visual editor, and like a pencil () in the wikitext editor.

Are there other options available?

Yes. You can choose whether you want:

• Always give me the visual editor if possible (if you temporarily switch to the wikitext editor through the button on the toolbar, the system won't remember it; also, it only applies to namespaces where the visual editor is available).
• Always give me the source editor (if you temporarily switch to the visual editor through the button on the toolbar, the system won't remember it)
• Show me both editor tabs (a system in place at multiple wikis since 2013. You are familiar with this option if you have been using the visual editor here.)
  • Please note: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits.

How do I set my preference?

• If you want to try or to stay in the new system: you don't need to do anything.
• If you had explicitly disabled the visual editor in the past and want to keep it disabled: you don't need to do anything.
• All the registered users have a dropdown menu in the Editing tab of their Preferences (Editing --> Editing mode:), where they can choose from. This only needs to be done once. Don't forget to save ;)
  • Users with the visual editor disabled need to re-enable it if they're interested in accessing that menu!
• People who use the visual editor regularly will see a pop-up (only once after the single edit tab system is introduced), and they can choose their favorite setting there. Of course, they can change their mind at any time just like the others, and pick a different setting from their Preferences.
  • Anonymous users who have used the visual editor recently will also be able to choose which editor they want to edit with.
  • Reminder: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits.

Final remarks

• Please spread the word about this major change in any way that you deem appropriate for this community, by linking to this announcement elsewhere, putting up a site notice, etc. Please note it will affect all the registered users at first, and after some days it will reach logged-out contributors as well if no major technical issues have arisen. Don't hesitate to ask questions, I'll be around for a while to help!
• Please do let us know about any anomalies you think you're experiencing, and do post any other feedback below. I'd like to thank everyone who works to make the transition easier for this community, and whoever will help me processing feedback in your language.
• You can learn more about optimizing the visual editor experience here by reading a guide on mediawiki.org.

Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:21, 4 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

The visual editor is now active here

Hello again. This message is only available in English at this time: Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

• 
  In the wikitext editor, the pencil icon allows you to switch to the visual editor.
• 
  In the visual editor, the [[ ]] (square brackets) icon allows you to switch to the wikitext editor. Please note that the button will soon say 𐌼𐌴𐍂𐌴𐌹 𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍆 or 𐌼𐌴𐍂𐌴𐌹 𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌹𐌽𐌹𐌽𐍃, due to an unrelated change.

As some of you have noticed, this Wikipedia now has the visual editor (VisualEditor) enabled for all registered users. The rollout to logged-out users will likely happen in a week or so.

For an explanation of how the editing system now works and how to choose/go back to your favorite setting, please see my previous announcement above. If you wish to change your editing system preferences now, this can be done from this link to your Preferences --> Editing --> Editing mode:.

All edits using the visual editor will be tagged with "Visual edit" in recent changes, watchlists, and page histories. To access the User Guide for the visual editor, click on the "(?)" icon in its toolbar.

Please let us know if you find any problems. You can report issues directly in Phabricator, the new bug tracking system or on at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback; by all means, feel free to also ping or contact me directly if you prefer. In case of emergency (like an unexpected bug causing widespread problems), please contact James Forrester, the product manager, at jforrester@wikimedia.org or on IRC in the #mediawiki-visualeditor channel.

Happy editing! Respectfully, Elitre (WMF) --18:55, 11 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

PS: Are you seeing interface messages that are not in this wiki's language? Please fix this by providing translations here. Translations may be also provided for the user guide. Please contact me if you want guidance in contributing translations!

Just a heads-up that rollout of the visual editor on this wiki is now complete. Please refer to my previous messages for details. You can read the "checklist" that was written to help communities like yours in their process of adapting the visual editor to their customs and needs. Best, Elitre (WMF) 18:22, 20 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

𐍈𐌹𐌻𐌴𐌹𐌺𐌰𐌼𐌼𐌰 𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌰 𐍃𐌺𐌿𐌻𐌳 𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌺𐌾𐌰𐌽 𐍂𐌰𐌶𐌳𐌰𐌹 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌰𐌽𐌴? - Which word should be used for the language of the Goths on Wikipedia?

Right now the word 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺 is used for the Gothic language on Wikipedia. Several pages about the languages, but also Omniglot and many other sources use 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺𐌰 𐍂𐌰𐌶𐌳𐌰 to define the language in Gothic, based on the attested Gut- in Gutthiuda (Goth-people) and the suffix -isks which normally is used for nations.

My question is which word should be used for the Gothic language? Choose one of these 3 options and add an asterisk (*) and ~ four times at the end to give your vote. You can also add an explanation and your opinion under discussion. Please add ~ four times again after your explanation or opinion. This vote will end the 28th of June.

• 1. Change the current word from 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺 (Gutisk) to 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺𐌰 𐍂𐌰𐌶𐌳𐌰 (Gutiska Razda)

Vote for:

• Bokareis (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 20:21, 18 𐌾𐌿𐌽𐌹𐌿𐍃 2018 (UTC)
• Nasjamik (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 22:44, 18 𐌾𐌿𐌽𐌹𐌿𐍃 2018 (UTC)

Discussion:

• - I think that the name should change from Gutisk to Gutiska Razda because there is no real attestation of Gutisk and if we want to look at what would certainly be correct, Gutiska razda would be the most logical option, as this would have been understood by a Goth as the Gothic language, and not as a Gothic ethnicity for example, like in the word Gutisk. Bokareis (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 20:21, 18 𐌾𐌿𐌽𐌹𐌿𐍃 2018 (UTC)

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• 2. Keep 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺 to define the Gothic language.

Vote for: -

Discussion: -

• 3. I have a different opinion, the name of the language should be changed to ... (give a reason too):

Vote for (please also add your explanation under discussion):

• Gadrauhts (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 16:19, 19 𐌾𐌿𐌽𐌹𐌿𐍃 2018 (UTC)

Discussion: -

• My suggestion is Gutrazda. Gut- just as in Gutþiuda and also in analogy with this word making a compound noun rather than adjective plus noun. /Gadrauhts (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 16:19, 19 𐌾𐌿𐌽𐌹𐌿𐍃 2018 (UTC)

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Bokareis (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 20:10, 18 𐌾𐌿𐌽𐌹𐌿𐍃 2018 (UTC)

Number symbols

The caption for the picture of the witch riding the broom on the main page is "𐌷𐌰𐌻𐌾𐌰𐍂𐌿𐌽𐌰 𐌹𐌽 𐍆𐍂𐌹𐍃𐌰𐌷𐍄𐌰 𐌾𐌴𐍂𐌹𐍃 1451." Shouldn't the year be in either Roman numerals or Gothic script numerals? The 𝔅𝔞𝔱𝔪𝔞𝔫 01 (𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰) 04:43, 6 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2020 (UTC)