Wikipedia:𐌱𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌲𐍃 𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌽𐌽𐌰

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𐌷𐌰𐌹𐌻𐌰 𐌰𐌻𐌻𐌰 𐌰𐌽𐌰 𐌱𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌲𐍃 𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌽𐌽𐌹𐌽

𐌱𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌲𐍃𐌱𐍂𐌿𐌽𐌽𐌰 𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐍃𐍄𐌰𐌸𐍃 𐌹𐌽 𐌸𐌰𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌹 𐌱𐌹 𐌸𐍉 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺𐍉𐌽 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌾𐌰 𐍂𐍉𐌳𐌾𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌰.

𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌳𐌾𐌰

connectivity project

Hallo, my name is Anastasiya Lvova, I'm "duty" in Connectivity project. The essence of the "Connectivity" project is to study and enhance the coherence of Wikipedia, or, in other words, to improve hypertext navigation between articles. The project deals with deadends, isolated articles, non-categorized articles, transitivity of the category tree, etc.

We want to work with your language version, but we need configured MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage for it (with direct links to template namespace pages, for example, ru:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage/de:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage/fr:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage). Is it possible to set it up for our usage?

thanks in advance, Lvova 18:52, 12 Warmmenoþs 2010 (UTC)

Betawiki: better support for your language in MediaWiki

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If you wish to contribute to better support of your language in MediaWiki, as well as for many MediaWiki extensions, please visit Betawiki, create an account and request translator priviledges. You can see the current status of localisation of your language on meta and do not forget to get in touch with others that may already be working on your language on Betawiki.

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Thank you very much for your attention and I do hope to see some of you on Betawiki soon! Cheers! Siebrand@Betawiki 09:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

"𐌺𐌰𐌽𐌽 𐌸𐌿 𐌸𐌰𐍄𐌰" 𐌰𐌽𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉

• 𐌿𐍃𐌻𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌾𐌰𐌽 𐌹𐌺? --Jacques Pirat 05:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

𐍃𐌹𐌴𐌱𐍉𐍄 𐌱𐍉𐍄-𐌼𐌴𐌻𐌾𐌰𐌽

Hey guys, we need more votes to have this bot approved... Thanks in advance. nl:User:Siebrand 09:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Jacques Pirat 20:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Ooswesthoesbes 15:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Alexander Gerashchenko 16:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. —Pathoschild 19:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

𐌾𐌰𐌳𐌰𐌽𐌰𐍀𐌾𐌰 𐌲𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌽𐌴𐌹𐌸 𐍅𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌿𐍆𐌽𐌾𐌹𐍃𐌼𐌰𐌽𐌽𐌰 𐍅𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌸𐌰𐌽

+6

• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Jacques Pirat 17:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 -- Yadönapya 09:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Manie 07:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 21:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 -- Alexander Gerashchenko 03:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --𐍆𐌿𐌲𐌻𐍃 _(:> )=| 23:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

𐌾𐌰𐌺 𐍀𐌹𐍂𐌰𐍄 𐌲𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌽𐌴𐌹𐌸 𐍅𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌿𐍆𐌽𐌾𐌹𐍃𐌼𐌰𐌽𐌽𐌰 𐍅𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌸𐌰𐌽

+6

• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Jacques Pirat 17:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 -- Yadönapya 09:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --Manie 07:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 21:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 -- Alexander Gerashchenko 03:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
• 𐌱𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌷 --𐍆𐌿𐌲𐌻𐍃 _(:> )=| 23:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

34y

Please delete it. --Flrn 17:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Done ! -- Yadönapya 10:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

SpBot

Hello. I would like to get a bot-flag on this wiki.

• Operator: de:User:Euku
• Purpose: Interwiki links: It adds/modifies/deletes interwiki links.
• Software: pywikipediabot framework via SVN
• Already has bot flag on: >74 Wikipedias, for example: ar, bn, ca, cs, de, en, es, eu, da, fr, he, hu, it, pl, ro, ru, sq, tr. (Since 2006 on German Wikipedia, with >69.000 edits), look at details

Thank you! --Euku 08:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

SpaceBirdyBot

Hello, I would like to replace the wrong i here with the correct version ‎  to 𐌹̈
I did that already in the Afrikaan Wiktionary (there was not as much to replace as here, but searching for the wrong character in all entries by hand would have been insane).

• operator:: m:User:Spacebirdy
• purpose:: correct  to 𐌹̈ in all entries
• software:: pywikipediabot (modified replace.py, working expamples: [1], [2], [3]...)
• already botflag on: 115 Wiktionaries, mostly working as replacebot(correcting errors/templates/etc.)/interwikibot there; see also vvv's sul-tool

Best regards, --𐍆𐌿𐌲𐌻𐍃 _(:> )=| 18:24, 18 Asanmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

This bot is fine to run on this wiki. Jacques Pirat 20:20, 18 Asanmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

pro

1. --Manie 22:35, 18 Asanmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

comments

Ok, I have set it to run already, I throttled it to 60seconds between page savings, if You think it spams the recentchanges too much please let me know, I will turn it off then again, best regards, --𐍆𐌿𐌲𐌻𐍃 _(:> )=| 23:57, 18 Asanmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think I am through.

Please delete [4], [5], [6], and [7], nothing links to them anymore. Best regards, --𐍆𐌿𐌲𐌻𐍃 _(:> )=| 00:31, 19 Asanmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

Accents

Do we use accents in the Latin alphabet pages or not? I see inconsistency here; the title of the editing page is "Máidjan af...", but on 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌰𐍂𐌰𐌶𐌳𐌰/Gutarazda there are no accents. Which do we go with? I personally think the accents make it easier to read, but it's not impossible without them.

Also, hyphenation: I prefer not to hyphenate, for example, "gameljan" ("ga-meljan"), but I wasn't sure if there was a definite policy on this; it can lead to some slightly ugly words sometimes (my latest update of Gutarazda includes the word "gaainaida" ("isolated"), which is pretty hideous, especially without accents..."gaáináida" is an improvement).

Just some thoughts. I know the English version has some standards of usage; it would probably be a good idea to have some here. Sectori 23:22, 21 Akranmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

Also, 𐍈 or 𐌸? The front page uses both: it might be more sensible to just choose one. Sectori 13:18, 25 Akranmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

𐌸 of course; 𐍈 is wrong. 𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 10:14, 2 Blomamenoþs 2009 (UTC)

Bot policy

Hello. To facilitate steward granting of bot access, I suggest implementing the standard bot policy on this wiki. In particular, this policy allows stewards to automatically flag known interlanguage linking bots (if this page says that is acceptable), which form the vast majority of such requests. The policy also enables global bots on this wiki (if this page says that is acceptable), which are trusted bots that will be given bot access on every wiki that allows global bots.

This policy makes bot access requesting much easier for local users, operators, and stewards. To implement it we only need to create a redirect to this page from Project:Bot policy, and add a line at the top noting that it is used here. Please read the text at m:Bot policy before commenting. If you object, please say so; I hope to implement in one week if there is no objection, since it is particularly written to streamline bot requests on wikis with little or no community interested in bot access requests. Malafaya 09:50, 9 Weinmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

Implemented. Malafaya 14:57, 22 Weinmenoþs 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to learn Gothic

Hallo there, gothicspeakers. I bought a Gothic bible in summer and I understand quite a bit of it. I spend most of my free time learning latin. If I had someone who learns gothic too, that would motivate me. Do you know any beginners who would join me? Thanks a load. - Capsicaciolum, friday, jannuary 16, 2009, 21:22 (CET)

- Sean (sjheiss@comcast.net) I'm learning Gothic, but I think it's too late, seeing as this was posted almost 5 months ago, but if you or anyone else learning Gothic happen to see this, and would like someone to practice with, contact me through my e-mail, and put Gothic somewhere in the subject so I know what it's for. ;)

-No, it is deffinitely not to late. I am glad finally someone answered. I just starded to learn more Gothic again some days ago and I am sending you an e-mail before you read this post. - Capsicaciolum 17:36, 20 Hawimenoþs 2009 (UTC)

Fonts and Logo

𐍆𐌰𐌲𐌹𐌽𐍉𐌸!

I have now finished the "flagship" of my fonts, the new version of Ulfilas. It is available for download at my site.

Further, I have created a new version of the Wikipedia logo using Ulfilas. I have made the suggestion to use it towards Jaques Pirat, but as he seems to be away for a while, I'd like to advise the rest of the community of this suggestion.

Best regards, 𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 19:54, 13 Blomamenoþs 2009 (UTC)

2010 Fundraising Is Almost Here

Hello Wikipedians, I am Theo and I am working for the Wikimedia Foundation during the 2010 Fundraiser. My job is to be the liaison between your community and the Foundation. This year's fundraiser is intended to be a collaborative and global effort; we recognize that banner messages which may perform well in the United States don't necessarily translate well, or appeal to international audiences.

I'm contacting you as I am currently looking for translators who are willing to contribute to this project by helping translate and localize messages into different languages and suggesting messages that would appeal to your readers on the Fundraising Meta Page. We've started the setup on meta for both banner submission, statistical analysis, and grouping volunteers together.
Use the talk pages on meta, talk to your local communities, talk to others, talk to us, and add your feedback to the proposed messages as well! I look forward to working with you during this year's fundraiser. If someone could translate this message I would really appreciate it so that everyone is able to understand our goals and contribute to this year's campaign.
Theo (WMF) 20:12, 20 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2010 (UTC)

Survey on this wikipedia

Hails, I am from Germany, Bremen, and I am studying linguistics and I have a seminar on language ausbau. This is, when a language doesn't have enough words to express all the modern things and it gets then upgrated with new expressions to fulfill it. And I want to study how Wikipedia can help on that and this is why I am doing those surveys. I have two questions for you: 1. What do you think is the contribution of Wikipedia that your languages gets beter developped and gets new expressions for modern things, 2. How do you build new words, are there certain patterns or methods? I would be really thankful, if there came some meanings and answers together. Thank you very much, Sincerely Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 07:20, 14 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

The prospects of a revival may be doubtful, since the Goths did not hold onto their ethnic self-consciousness and assimilated into the local populations (the last holdouts being in the Crimea). Perhaps one day modern admirers of Gothic fashion might become interested in the ancient language. Although the ancient Goths have nothing to do with the modern fashion-Goths except in name, there's no reason they couldn't adopt the old language. That may be unlikely, but no more unusual than people learning Klingon or Elvish. To answer your question, there probably aren't very many projects involved in creating new texts in Gothic, so this site may end up being influential if there ever is a revival. One thing in particular to look for here is that this site has standardized for its own uses the names of the days and months (see the entries for 𐌾𐌴𐍂 and 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉). We have only fragmentary original information of what these actually were. There are other interpretations (such as http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/calendar.htm); so one sign would be to see if, after a revival takes place and usages become more or less standard, the month and day names given here prevail. In the unlikely event of a major resurgence, this will lead to a divergence into ancient Gothic and modern Gothic (perhaps the old could be called "gutisk" and the new "gutarazda"), and expect a lot of pedantic discussion about what is authentic versus made-up, and what new word is most faithful to the old language. I would imagine a similar process has happened for Modern Hebrew and Katharevouza.

As for how new words may be created, loan words are one possibility; the ancient Goths themselves did this sometimes, typically from Greek or Latin; a contemporary example you can see used here is "seido" for web page, after "site". Or new words can be built from cognates in other languages, such as "Banda-reikja" for United States, after the Icelandic "Bandaríkin". And I feel that any deduced word, such as "gutarazda", is fair game (though I wouldn't personally include the * in front of it as is done in academic usage). Or, one could break down the word into its roots and translate them directly, for instance, "in-de-pend-ence" means "not hang from condition" and in German becomes Un-ab-hängig-keit. A new Gothic example would be "káuli-blóma" for "cauliflower" (Blumenkohl). Or the meaning could be translated into a new compound, such as "witirahnjands" for computer (I believe this would be something like "knowledge reckoner") or -- as I have done -- "fair-weitl-waurstwa" for "actor". Also, look for the entries on Wikipedia:Razdagaruni and Wikipedia:𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌰_𐍅𐌰𐌵𐍂𐌳𐌰 -- you may find these informative. Allsbairhts 10:32, 18 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I really thank you for that interesting introduction. Unfortunately the paper I hold in this is already over, but still, this was very interesting. But for further things on Wikipedia's influence this could be very useful. It seems that you are quite often here in the last time, which is very good. And BTW, the pages in wikipedia you posted were created by me. ;) Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 10:52, 18 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Well, silly me, I didn't see that. Anyway, that was some good work! Allsbairhts 10:20, 21 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

No need to excuse ;) I think that was overdue. Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 11:54, 21 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

HiW-Bot

• Operator  : Hedwig in Washington
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• Already has a bot flag (Y/N)  : Yes: 31 Wikis so far, others pending. see here
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I humbly request bot status on this wiki in order to update Interwiki, and improve Internationalization by removing chaos in Babel so it can be used properly and easy by everyone.

Thank you for consideration! --Hedwig in Washington 20:44, 15 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Admin candidature

Hello, please vote for me on this page: Admin candidatures so that this page gets an admin, that is really present. Thank you. Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 11:24, 18 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

𐌻𐌹𐍃𐍄𐌰 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉 𐌸𐍉𐌶𐌴𐌹 𐌰𐌻𐌻𐍉𐍃 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌾𐍉𐍃 𐍃𐌺𐌿𐌻𐌿𐌽 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌽

Please help to fulfill this list: 𐌻𐌹𐍃𐍄𐌰 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉 𐌸𐍉𐌶𐌴𐌹 𐌰𐌻𐌻𐍉𐍃 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌾𐍉𐍃 𐍃𐌺𐌿𐌻𐌿𐌽 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌽 Zylbath 15:02, 30 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

300

𐌾𐌹𐌷𐌰!!! 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐍃 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌼 𐌽𐌿 𐌰𐌽𐌳𐌰𐌻𐌴𐌹𐌺𐍃 300 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐍃 𐌰𐌽𐌰 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐍀𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌾𐌰𐌹! =) 𐍃𐍉 𐌸𐍂𐌴𐌹𐍃 𐌷𐌿𐌽𐌳𐌰 𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉 𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐍆𐌰𐌹𐌷𐌿𐌺𐌹𐌽𐌳𐍃. Zylbath 18:38, 3 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

The double art of script

Hello, I would like to here your opinions to whether the articles should be in both versions the latin and the gothic one or just in gothic. I personally prefer to keep it all in gothic or as a minority runic, since the original scripture is gothic (or runic) and not latin. Sure, it's easier to read espacially for those without the font. But even if they don't have it, on the main page there is a box in English which tells which font to install and where to find it. Furthermore the gothic alphabet isn't that hard to read and it is kind of a gothic culture. And I don't find it helpfully or beautiful when there are both versions at once. If both versions should be kept, I would be totally agreeing if we do it with those links at the bottom of an article which says to let the text appear in latin alphabet even if the version might be not up to date. What do you think of all this? Zylbath 00:49, 25 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

I'm in favor of having both versions in parallel, if possible. The Wulfilas script is pretty, and it's traditional, but there are some drawbacks. It's easier to learn than (for instance) Arabic, but even so, transliterated text will make it a lot easier for newcomers. Speaking for myself, I haven't been able to get it to display in MSIE. Firefox works, but the font I'm using (skeirs) is rather small, which makes it tougher to read. There are some other fonts I could try, but they're rather more ornate, so they probably won't be any more "skeirs" than that! Also, I don't have a way of typing in it, so I have to copy and paste the tiny letters. I'm sure there are some solutions out there, which I may research some time, but for now creating text is fairly painstaking as it is. Allsbairhts 11:14, 26 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

So, when thinking of having both the gothic and latin alphabet, what would you think of displaying the gothic alphabet as default and having a link under or above (which I'd prefer) the article where you can click on to have the latin text? That would destroy the asthetic of the article, because in my opinion the same version of an article with pictures, cards, tablets etc. twice isn't that asthetic.

I guess I should write a tutorial here to install the fonts that way, one can use them for writing. Actually, it isn't very difficult. =) Zylbath 23:18, 26 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

What I envision is that in each section, the Wulfilas script would be first, followed by the Latin version. There's no need for duplicate graphics; they would just appear once. How about that? Also, if both scripts are visible at once, then it would be helpful for learners. Allsbairhts 06:06, 28 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

But wikipedia shouldn't be a place where to learn an alphabet, at least not in the articles. In most wikipedias different dialects or scriptures are always seperated by own links or sections and not written under each other, that's the standard. I would actually like to follow that here, too. But for learning the language or even the alphabet we can create an own section, where a tutorial or guide explains how to read it etc. We can link that to the main page. I still would propose a link at the top of an article which is written in latin alphabet to get to the latin version. I'm going to make a first version for you to see. And for the main page I thought of something like that: Plattdüütsch Wiktionary. There the dialects are seperated in own pages, we can do that with our page aswell in gothic and latin alphabet. What do you think? Zylbath 11:06, 28 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the first point, generally speaking, this is so. But, Gothic has a unique situation, and the fussy Wiki way isn't an ideal one-size-fits-all solution. If we wish to breathe a little life into a dead language, then it makes sense to help newcomers past hurdles in comprehension and technology. Given that the Wulfilas alphabet has less common use than Elvish and (until they invent time travel) no native speakers are going to be scratching their heads wondering why we wrote the encyclopedia this way, then parallel transliterated text as an aid to newcomers to Gothic (pretty much everybody besides a few professors and grad students) might not be such a bad thing. That being said, I would like to see an example of what you had in mind as a proof of concept. The "Namne tala" article is one of the few articles long enough to be unwieldy, and it would benefit from this approach. Allsbairhts 09:03, 3 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Well, the problem is, Gothic is closed for translations. I am trying since some days to talk to the responsables, because there is still so much english text on the side of wikipedia. The reason for the closing is, that the translators used the latin script, albeit they were supposed to use the gothic one, since that's the genuin one. Having the same text on the same page in both writings is really not like wikipedia and might help to close this whole gothic wikipedia. Either we really use only the Gothic alphabet or we try to find a way, to have Gothic as default but an extra box or so where the latin script is in. Do you know the english side of wiktionary? Do you know the translation boxes? I want these ones for the latin script, either at the top or at the bottom of a page. Then a user can click on it and the latin text appears. This is maybe the best solution we have for a double script, since it's really not recommended to have two own pages for the same article but in different scripts, which would be the only way when working with an link to click on to get to the latin scripted article.

I really hope, they are going to open the translation function. Otherwise I guess I am going to start a subscribing petition and alarming the gothic mailing list. ;) This side is more like a construction side, we need more articles, a better translated page and more users.

And by the way, the gothic alphabet is really not that hard to read, even the Ulfila font which might be harder to read then others, is fast to learn. For some learners (me included) the stranger script is another reason to learn the language. We should stick to that how gothic is traditionally, otherwise this wikipedia would not try its best to document the oldest germanic language, which we know of.

If I weren't be so dumb for computational things I would have already made that box I am talking of. But I really don't succeed, but I am already talking which some people from the english wiktionary about how that template is working. Some day I will bring it to start. ;) Zylbath 13:12, 5 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

YEAH!! I got it, finally. With the big help of some people from the English wiktionary. 𐍆𐌹𐌻𐌿 𐌸𐌰𐌲𐌺𐍉𐍃!!! =) So, now I can show you, how I ment it with the dropdownmenubox. See the article 𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌰𐍂𐌰𐌶𐌳𐌰. There is a box at the top where you can click on and then the latin scripted text appears. I think it is kind of cool and way more asthetic then before. What do you think of it? The handling is quite easy:

{{𐌻𐌰𐍄𐌹𐌽𐍃𐌺𐌰 𐌼𐌴𐌻𐌴𐌹𐌽𐍃}}
BLABLABLABLATEXTBLABLABLA
{{𐌰𐌽𐌳𐌰}}

Or with latin skript:
{{latinska meleins}}
TEEEEEEEEXT
{{anda}}

This way it wouldn't take to much space of the gothic written text, the gothic text is still default and it is easy to get to the latin text without having an extra link and so double articles for each script, which would be totally not worth it.

𐌱𐍉𐌺𐍉𐍃 - Text fragment

Now, you have to say yes, because it took some time and it is cool. ;)

Zylbath 15:03, 6 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

AWESOME, even templates, graphics and all other stuff work in that box. Zylbath 15:19, 6 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

OK, looks good. I tried it out on the article for dearest Amy. One suggestion I have would be to make the instructions on the home page (Haubdiseido) of where to go to install the fonts more prominent. Any newcomer to the site is going to see a bunch of tiny squares at first, after all, and the instructions are in small text. Perhaps the "Gutans" box could stretch across the whole page horizontally, and the text be made larger and vertically centered on the right of Gizur's picture. It might also mention that some articles will have drop down boxes for convenience. Allsbairhts 12:20, 10 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Yes, I already thought of that. I guess I will make a little box at the very top of the page with an english text or so, where to install the fonts. And I wanted to make the main page also in a latin version. A link or so should be above then. But I would always recommend the Ulfila font. I know Robert Pfeffer made another font for the wikipedia (Skeirs) and for electronic things, but that font didn't really work here. The wikipedia logo is made with Ulfila and it is by far the most beautiful font in gothic. So, I would recommend that if we have the chance, we should tell the people to download that font. Which one are you using? BTW: Please step by to the discussion side of amy winehouse, if you have some time. ;) Thank you very much for you dedication here. Zylbath 13:54, 11 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement

Hello, do you have any suggestions for improvement on this wikipedia? I can change now many things here, and most of the things here are pretty antiqued. So if you have any ideas for a better wikipedia, anyhow, tell me! ;) Zylbath 02:40, 26 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉 𐌽𐌿 𐌰𐌿𐌺 𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐌹𐌽 𐌻𐌰𐍄𐌹𐌽𐍃𐌺𐌰 𐌼𐌴𐌻𐌴𐌹𐌽𐍃

𐌷𐌰𐌹𐌻𐍃, 𐌹𐌺 𐌲𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌹𐌳𐌰 𐌸𐍉 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐌽 𐌾𐌰𐌷 𐍃𐌹 𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐌽𐌿 𐌰𐌿𐌺 𐌹𐌽 𐌻𐌰𐍄𐌹𐌽𐍃𐌺𐌰 𐌼𐌴𐌻𐌴𐌹𐌽𐍃 𐌸𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷 𐌸𐌰𐌼𐌼𐌰 𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌹𐌽 𐍆𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌰𐌼𐌴𐌻𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌰. Zylbath (talk) 11:58, 20 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Call for Papers - Gothic book project

Hello, I'm writing as the leader of the association of the gothic language (www.vereindergotischensprache.de) to inform you about our book project. We want to publish a scientific work on Neogothic, sprachausbau and revitalisation. Here you have the Call for Papers:

Call for Papers

As we discussed in our member meeting, it is our goal to establish a book project. We are searching for authors to write this book, as it will to become an anthology. There is already a potential publisher (Verlag Inspiration Un Limited) who is interested in publishing such.

About the project:

There are many previously-available works on historical Gothic. Therein the traditional text material and the grammar and lexicon that arise from it are dealt with. But there are topics similar to “Sprachausbau” and “Revitalisation” for which almost nothing has been published as of yet. This is where our work comes to fruition; these will be our main topics that will be put to the fore of our work. Besides contributions on newer developments in the research of Gothic, we would like to see topics that outrun the manner(s) with which Gothic has been treated so far. This means that all handlings on modern Gothic, often called Neogothic, are possible. We would like to see contributions that give an overview on the current efforts to the revitalisation of Gothic and inform about the methods, problems, motivation, status, network of these projects and/or about similarities or differences to other projects of the sprachausbau and revitalisation. A contribution could also be to inform about the Gothic Wikipedia. Especially desired are articles that make a contribution to the sprachausbau itself on their own. You can always deliberate with us about topic(s) that would be acceptable and possible.

Every author can submit several articles, in either German or English.

We have in principle a scientific demand for the contributions. It is not a prerequisite for authors to have a previous knowledge in the topic of linguistics; but have to be able to argue seriously, and to stick to the usual rules of scientific writing and citing. If there are problems or questions while writing, just contact us. We can certainly help you.

Dates: Individual topics must be submitted by no later than the 31th of August 2012.

(The term for the submission of your articles will be given later; it will be most likely at the end of this year.)

For questions, consultation and submissions; please use this e-mail address: kontakt@vereindergotischensprache.de

Take pleasure in finding a topic and writing: The team of the “association of the gothic language”. Zylbath (talk) 21:46, 4 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Survey on "Language Skills of the Gothic Language

The association of the gothic language is asking people to fill out a survey they created. We want to find out how many people there are that have any noteworthy skills in Gothic. So, please follow the link, the survey won't take more than 1 minute, it's just four questions long. We thank you a lot!
Survey on "Language Skills of the Gothic Language"
Zylbath (talk) 13:43, 24 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

How to deal with transcription of foreign names? A poll.

Hello. As Wikipedia let us know recently (espacially by closing the translation function for us because of using Latin script in articles in the past) we need to have every article in Gothic script, espacially the article's name. Well, but coming to foreign names this is quite a problem as we haven't agreed on a way to transcript them. There have been several attempts. One of them was to analyse the names morpho-semantically, like Allsbairhts tried to do; see discussion on 𐌰𐌼𐌹 𐍅𐌰𐌹𐌽𐌷𐌰𐌿𐍃. I must say I don't agree with that manner because transcripting every foreign name by its morpho-semantic and translating it to Gothic is really not an accurate way; actually no language with a different script is doing it at that extent. Two other possibilities I see and about which we should vote are either: Keeping the shape of foreign names as much as possible but using some special transcription patterns when a letter doesn't exist in Gothic or is pronounced in a total different way (i. e. "Dixie Carter" 𐌳𐌹𐌺𐍃𐌹𐌴 𐌺𐌰𐍂𐍄𐌴𐍂: "x" would be 𐍇 but has a different pronounciation, so 𐌺𐍃 seems to be more appropriate, and "c" doesn't exist in Gothic. So, for the pronounciation of [k] 𐌺 should be used); or: We don't try to keep the shape of foreign names but transcript them totally after a Gothic shape and pattern like "Jonathan Winters" or "Douglas Engelbart" -> 𐌳𐍃𐌾𐌰𐌿𐌽𐌰𐌸𐌰𐌽 𐍅𐌹𐌽𐍄𐌰𐌹𐍂𐍃 and 𐌳𐌰𐌲𐌻𐌴𐍃 𐌰𐌹𐌲𐌲𐌴𐌻𐌱𐌰𐍂𐍄. (But then it might get hard to get the equivalent of a name [but anyway having the English name in brackets after it and redirects might be a helpful way and should be advisable]) For so far I don't see other solution and of course we would have to discuss in detail the exact rules of both of these ways. I would therefore ask you to vote and/or add another serious alternative if you have one. Thanks a lot! Zylbath (talk) 20:33, 10 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Transcription way 1: keep the shape, only different letters if needed

In favour:

Comments:

Transcription way 2: always use Gothic patterns

In favour: Gadrauhts (talk) 17:49, 13 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Comments: Of the existing suggestions I vote for number 2. But I have a third suggestion. Gadrauhts (talk) 17:49, 13 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Transcription way 3: Use gothic versions of the names (both first and last name). Translate of necessary and decline all names

In favour:

Comments:

• Could you please define that more? So you mean that names should indeed rather transcripted and translated by their semantic-morphological structure like proposed as for Amy Winehouse -> Ami Wainahus? Zylbath (talk) 19:32, 14 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Bad articles

Hey. I created some new templates to put some order in this wikipedia which is quite a mess and construction site. I would ask you to pay attention to bad articles as well and put those templates in those pages. They get into special categories where I can handle them alltogether.
To do so please write {{𐍄𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌰𐌽}} at the beginning of an article that should be deleted. (When there are doublets, vandalism or those articles with / in its name.) But don't delete the content, only put the template code in the beginning. If there is a bad article that should be written over urgently please write {{𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌰𐌽}} at the beginning. That appeals to articles who are only written in Latin script, have a Latin script name or have hardly a layout that looks really bad. When there are articles that are very short but seem alright so far, please put the template {{𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼}} at the end of the article. They are okay so far but should be get more content soon, but they won't be deleted in the future. And if an article contains unattested words that aren't in any dictionary, not even ours, than write {{𐌿𐌽𐍅𐌴𐌹𐍄𐍅𐍉𐌳𐌹𐌸𐍃}} at the beginning and write the unattested words on the discussion page.
All those articles appear in the respective category where could be taken care of individually. Thank you. Kevin Behrens (talk) 20:57, 9 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Latin script titles

As far as I can see now I have deleted or changed all the titles that were only written in Latin script. Some of them still exist but with the note for speedy deletion which will happen soon. The next will it be to change all the titles that contain both Gothic and Latin script divided by a / into Gothic only titles, as well as deleting all the catogories that contain any Latin script and expand the network of categories so that they relate to each other and are a helpful guide through this wikipedia. Feels like sysiphos work. ;) Kevin Behrens (talk) 13:50, 10 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

The transliterator should work everywhere, not just for displaying the article content, but also in the page title displayed (HTML1 h1 tag), the navigation bar, the search input bar, the wiki editor, the Visual Editor, and the code editor, as well as in the edit comment input box, possibly as well in the preferences page for its own input boxes. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Additionally the site still suggests using a font (in the preferences of Universal Language selector) that is actually NOT encoded with Unicode, but is a hack of the Latin script to show the Gothic script instead.

A better font is now available: "Noto" (unfortunately it has only one style "Noto Sans Regular"; the absence of a monospaced version is not really a problem, (for a serif version, you have "Roboto") but absence of bold and italic styles is a problem for the UI. Noto has the enormous advantage of playing in harmony with all other fonts in the Noto family for all scripts supported by Unicode; additionally it is freely available (offered by Google, developped for Android but in fact widely used elsewhere). Microsoft also released as "Segoe UI Gothic" font for Windows but also only in regular style (no bold and no italic).

There are other good quality fonts, well hinted, but unfortunately not encoded with Unicode in Plane 1 but still using the Latin-hack override.

Various articles on this wiki have been created with the Latin-hack, they are not compatible and will need to be converted (I suggest using the Latin-Gothic transliterator for that). Verdy p (talk) 05:43, 25 𐌼𐌰𐌾𐌿𐍃 2016 (UTC)

Co-Adminship

Hello there. I have asked at the Steward Requests if I could become a co-admin. According to one user who replied it might be possible, but the stewards first need to see that there is support.

I would like to ask here if it's ok if I become a co-admin together with Zylbath? I will mostly use my admin-function to correct mistakes in Gothic and before I change things like certain words I will first discuss it with Zylbath. I will also be able to look at some implementations to improve this Wikipedia.

An advantage is that if Zylbath is away I can deal with some of the things here. Bokareis (talk) 21:44, 21 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

I don't really see an implication for that since most of the pages are editable for everybody except for the dictionary, which will get only updated after discussions on the page. (And for I am online almost every day there won't be much delay in that.) And javascript could be always added after conferring with me. But if you think it's neccessary that you have admin rights, too, I am fine with it. But then you really have to pay more attention to your tone or change it towards others, learn more about the basics of creating new articles and learn more about the rules and policies made on this Wikipedia. Kevin Behrens (talk) 12:31, 22 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

I sometimes get annoyed of inconsistencies and some mistakes in articles, therefore my tone can be a bit hard sometimes because this is wikipedia. he problem is that since I joined this wikipedia it's completely unclear where to find the rules and policies, in hilpa you can find help with creating articles but it isn't clear to me where it is. One of the main reasons for the Admin application is this: Above here you see "utgaggan", while you keep your mouse over it it changes into "leithan", which is a much better alternative. The word next to it has "tala af thein", which should be "tala af theinamma" or the female form, as "af" gives a dative. Meina brukeins and meinos maidjabrukeineis, I 'm not sure if this can be correct, because that would mean that the singular is female and the plural changes to masculine. And I sometimes see "seida" and "seido" used both, while as far as I know "seido" is the correct one. Bokareis (talk) 22:18, 22 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

I am also speaking of your general defient tone when it comes to neologisms and discussions on them. It can be hard sometimes to keep being neutral. But don't get me wrong, I am really impressed of your motivation and I am happy that you write articles here.

To the translations: I know, there are a lot of things wrong on here. But the translation function for the Gothic wikipedia has been closed so we cannot really work on it. That's a shame and it's ridiculous. I argued so often about that on the translatewiki where the translation has to be done, but they always argued that there is no point in having a Wikipedia in a dead language. But someone is already notified who might help in that. So, maybe in the near future you can work on the translation on the translatewiki.

To the rules: The general rules of building articles etc. can be found on the English, Dutch or German Wikipedia. But the special rules on Gothic reconstruction here is something you'll get to know rather after dealing with it for a long time and reading through this Wikipedia. I am not following those instructions blindly, but I agree with them in most points. (Especially as most of the rules are also in use outside of this Wikipedia.) Kevin Behrens (talk) 08:51, 23 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

You have to understand that if you have translated 50% of a website, and you have used a wrong neologism everywhere, you indeed become "defiant" if the neologism suddenly changes and you need to change the word everywhere again, which wasn't needed in the first place. I wouldn't be "defiant" if I wouldn't do these translations, because in that case it wouldn't really matter for me, but if you have been using a word a lot it's not fun if someone comes and tell you that a word which is written down as a neologism is actually wrong afterwards. I hope the translation wiki get's open. I also started a wordpress blog to submit our neologisms, I gave you rights to it too. I hope that you will use it. I put all the neologisms there which we agreed upon. Bokareis (talk) 21:39, 23 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review

Hello. A new policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on smaller wikis. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for more than 2 years):

1. Node ue (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, Rschen7754 04:12, 13 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2015 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review

Hello. A new policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on smaller wikis. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for more than 2 years):

1. Jacques Pirat (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, Rschen7754 06:00, 9 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

The visual editor will be enabled on this wiki in some days

Hello again. Please excuse the English. Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

As per previous announcements earlier this year, the visual editor (VisualEditor) will be enabled at this Wikipedia in some days. It allows people to edit articles as if they were using a typical word processor. Here's a quick explanation of what is going to happen: you can find a more detailed one, with pictures, at mediawiki.org.

What's changing?

In the new system, you get a single edit tab which follows your preferences, and that therefore will launch the wikitext editor or the visual editor depending on which one you opened the last (Remember my last editor).
This applies to everyone who edited recently, including anonymous users.

How do I switch to the other editor then?

Buttons on the toolbars of both editors were added months ago so that you can switch from one to the other every time you want to, without losing your changes and without having to save first.
The button, located on the right side of the toolbar, looks like square brackets ([[ ]]) in the visual editor, and like a pencil () in the wikitext editor.

Are there other options available?

Yes. You can choose whether you want:

• Always give me the visual editor if possible (if you temporarily switch to the wikitext editor through the button on the toolbar, the system won't remember it; also, it only applies to namespaces where the visual editor is available).
• Always give me the source editor (if you temporarily switch to the visual editor through the button on the toolbar, the system won't remember it)
• Show me both editor tabs (a system in place at multiple wikis since 2013. You are familiar with this option if you have been using the visual editor here.)
  • Please note: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits.

How do I set my preference?

• If you want to try or to stay in the new system: you don't need to do anything.
• If you had explicitly disabled the visual editor in the past and want to keep it disabled: you don't need to do anything.
• All the registered users have a dropdown menu in the Editing tab of their Preferences (Editing --> Editing mode:), where they can choose from. This only needs to be done once. Don't forget to save ;)
  • Users with the visual editor disabled need to re-enable it if they're interested in accessing that menu!
• People who use the visual editor regularly will see a pop-up (only once after the single edit tab system is introduced), and they can choose their favorite setting there. Of course, they can change their mind at any time just like the others, and pick a different setting from their Preferences.
  • Anonymous users who have used the visual editor recently will also be able to choose which editor they want to edit with.
  • Reminder: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits.

Final remarks

• Please spread the word about this major change in any way that you deem appropriate for this community, by linking to this announcement elsewhere, putting up a site notice, etc. Please note it will affect all the registered users at first, and after some days it will reach logged-out contributors as well if no major technical issues have arisen. Don't hesitate to ask questions, I'll be around for a while to help!
• Please do let us know about any anomalies you think you're experiencing, and do post any other feedback below. I'd like to thank everyone who works to make the transition easier for this community, and whoever will help me processing feedback in your language.
• You can learn more about optimizing the visual editor experience here by reading a guide on mediawiki.org.

Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:22, 4 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

The visual editor is now active here

Hello again. This message is only available in English at this time: Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

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  In the wikitext editor, the pencil icon allows you to switch to the visual editor.

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  In the visual editor, the [[ ]] (square brackets) icon allows you to switch to the wikitext editor. Please note that the button will soon say 𐌼𐌴𐍂𐌴𐌹 𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍆 or Publish changes, due to an unrelated change.

As some of you have noticed, this Wikipedia now has the visual editor (VisualEditor) enabled for all registered users. The rollout to logged-out users will likely happen in a week or so.

For an explanation of how the editing system now works and how to choose/go back to your favorite setting, please see my previous announcement above. If you wish to change your editing system preferences now, this can be done from this link to your Preferences --> Editing --> Editing mode:.

All edits using the visual editor will be tagged with "Visual edit" in recent changes, watchlists, and page histories. To access the User Guide for the visual editor, click on the "(?)" icon in its toolbar.

Please let us know if you find any problems. You can report issues directly in Phabricator, the new bug tracking system or on at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback; by all means, feel free to also ping or contact me directly if you prefer. In case of emergency (like an unexpected bug causing widespread problems), please contact James Forrester, the product manager, at jforrester@wikimedia.org or on IRC in the #mediawiki-visualeditor channel.

Happy editing! Respectfully, Elitre (WMF) --18:55, 11 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

PS: Are you seeing interface messages that are not in this wiki's language? Please fix this by providing translations here. Translations may be also provided for the user guide. Please contact me if you want guidance in contributing translations!

Just a heads-up that rollout of the visual editor on this wiki is now complete. Please refer to my previous messages for details. You can read the "checklist" that was written to help communities like yours in their process of adapting the visual editor to their customs and needs. Best, Elitre (WMF) 18:22, 20 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

Editing News #3—2016

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can easily re-arrange columns and rows in the visual editor?

Select a cell in the column or row that you want to move. Click the arrow at the start of that row or column to open the dropdown menu (shown). Choose either "Move before" or "Move after" to move the column, or "Move above" or "Move below" to move the row.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has mainly worked on a new wikitext editor. They have also released some small features and the new map editing tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the list of work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, releasing the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving language support.

Recent changes

• You can now set text as small or big.[8]
• Invisible templates have been shown as a puzzle icon. Now, the name of the invisible template is displayed next to the puzzle icon.[9] A similar feature will display the first part of hidden HTML comments.[10]
• Categories are displayed at the bottom of each page. If you click on the categories, the dialog for editing categories will open.[11]
• At many wikis, you can now add maps to pages. Go to the Insert menu and choose the "Maps" item. The Discovery department is adding more features to this area, like geoshapes. You can read more at mediawiki.org.[12]
• The "Save" button now says "Save page" when you create a page, and "Save changes" when you change an existing page.[13] In the future, the "𐌲𐌰𐍆𐌰𐍃𐍄 𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍆" button will say "𐌼𐌴𐍂𐌴𐌹 𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍆". This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems. More information is available on Meta.
• Image galleries now use a visual mode for editing. You can see thumbnails of the images, add new files, remove unwanted images, rearrange the images by dragging and dropping, and add captions for each image. Use the "Options" tab to set the gallery's display mode, image sizes, and add a title for the gallery.[14]

Future changes

The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the remaining 10 "Phase 6" Wikipedias during the next month. The developers want to know whether typing in your language feels natural in the visual editor. Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. This will affect several languages, including Thai, Burmese and Aramaic.

The team is working on a modern wikitext editor. The 2017 wikitext editor will look like the visual editor and be able to use the citoid service and other modern tools. This new editing system may become available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices in October 2016. You can read about this project in a general status update on the Wikimedia mailing list.

Let's work together

• Do you teach new editors how to use the visual editor? Did you help set up the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki? Have you written or imported TemplateData for your most important citation templates? Would you be willing to help new editors and small communities with the visual editor? Please sign up for the new VisualEditor Community Taskforce.

• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!

—Elitre (WMF)

17:49, 15 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2016 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2017

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can review your changes visually?

When you are finished editing the page, type your edit summary and then choose "Review your changes".

In visual mode, you will see additions, removals, new links, and formatting highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

The wikitext diff is the same diff tool that is used in the wikitext editors and in the page history. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

• A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures to enable the New wikitext mode.
• A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. [15]
• The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [16]
• You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this. [17]
• The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow. [18]
• The Categories item has been moved to the top of the Page options menu (from clicking on the "hamburger" icon) for quicker access. [19] There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there. [20]
• You can now create <chem> tags (sometimes used as <ce>) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor. [21]
• Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed. [22]
• The Special character menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) . The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt. [23]
• A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed. The team are sorry for the disruption. [24]
• There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations: Control+Shift+K on a PC, or Command+Shift+K on a Mac. It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which is Control+K or Command+K respectively. [25]

Future changes

• The team is working on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of <ref> tags and other types of wikitext syntax. You will be able to turn it on and off. It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017. [26]
• The kind of button used to 𐌰𐍄𐌰𐌿𐌲𐌴𐌹 𐍆𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌹𐌿𐌽, 𐌰𐍄𐌰𐌿𐌲𐌴𐌹 𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌳𐌹𐌽𐌹𐌽𐍃, and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI. The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read. The labels will remain the same. You can test the new button by editing a page and adding &ooui=1 to the end of the URL, like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1 The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes. [27]
• The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors. See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use. [28]
• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!

—Elitre (WMF)

18:05, 12 𐌼𐌰𐌾𐌿𐍃 2017 (UTC)