Talk:𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉

BOT OWNERS

Nobody on this wiki has the ability to give a bot flag! There are no bureaucrats here. At most we can give you support for your bot flag.

We've got enough Interwiki bots to make our ears bleed, and only a few articles to actually use them on, but we will accept your bot, provided that it does not transform Gothic characters into XML entities. If it does and we catch it, we will ban the bot from edits. The issue with Interwiki links here is they really add so much markup that articles which are only a sentance long get displayed as the longest pages on the wiki, despite them not being that at all.

Installing the fonts

Great, you have to download and install the fonts. I did so for two of the fonts ... and then what? I cannot see anything but empty rectangles, yet. I tried with Opera, Firefox and Maxthon (IE) - neither of them works (all have been restarted before trying).

So what exactly does one have to do to read these pages? Please write to nibble.of.byte at gmail dot com.

In Windows 2000 / XP: Go to Start>Run, type regedit.exe, navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\LanguagePack" right click in the right part of the window, New>DWORD (or similar). Name the DWORD "SURROGATE" (without the quotes) and double click it and enter 2 as new value. Restart Windows. If a Gothic font is installed, Gothic should now work for most applications (if Internet Explorer doesn't work, try Mozilla Firefox, that works for me). To test, try copying some gothic text to notepad and setting the font to a Gothic font.

Hi I tried this and it doesn't work... any hints? (Running Windows XP) 198.54.202.242 12:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC) (Servien)

I've tried this too, but to no avail!!! :((( --84.114.144.54 12:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

In Linux, Surrogate Characters (used to write Gothic, 2 digital characters form one glyph) should work out of the box, and installing a Gothic font to ~/.fonts should do the trick, at least in GNOME / KDE distro's.

In Mac OS X, Surrogate Characters should just work, after installing a Gothic font.

In older versions of Windows, I have no idea, perhaps it is not possible because of bad Unicode support...

Harðor 12:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'm still unable to see Gothic, but now I know why: I am using Windows 98!

--84.160.254.145 06:41, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Some people say they have made them work on Windows 9x [1]. I got a copy of the latest USP10.DLL and installed it but surrogates still don't work for me. It could be because other DLLs are required, recent DLL versions are flagged to disable the feature on Windows 9x, or the registry needs to be edited. It'd be helpful to see the discussion from the Unicode mailing list, but the archives are closed. G0th007

They now (after installing the latest version of USP10.dll) work on my Windows 98 computer, but only in Wordpad.--84.160.216.231 14:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right, it works in Wordpad. This means somebody could make a browser plugin or Firefox extension to make surrogates work in Win9x if they could figure out what API issues are stopping them working with other programs. G0th007

Hello, I found a intermediate way to read the texts with firefox : instead of using UTF-8, I use ISO-8859-1 (Occidental). That meens that instead of having 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌱𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌰 for "fruma maimbrana", you have 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌼𐌱𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌰, which you can read with the appropriate "codec" :

𐌰 -> a/1 ; 𐌱 -> b/2 ; 𐌲 -> g/3 ; 𐌳 -> d/4 ; 𐌴 -> e/5 ; 𐌵 -> q/6 ; 𐌶 -> z/7 ;
𐌷 -> h/8 ; 𐌸 -> þ/9 ; 𐌹 -> i/10 ; 𐌺 -> k/20 ; 𐌻 -> l/30 ; 𐌼 -> m/40 ; 𐌽 -> n/50 ;
𐌾 -> j/60 ; 𐌿 -> u/70 ; 𐍀 -> p/80 ; ð -> 90 ; 𐍂 -> r/100 ; 𐍃 -> s/200 ; 𐍄 -> t/300 ;
𐍅 -> w/400 ; 𐍆 -> f/500 ; 𐍇 -> x/600 ; 𐍈 -> ƕ/700 ; 𐍉 -> o/800 ; 𐍊 -> 900

-- Sajasazi 18:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

On Mac OS X Leopard the fonts are broken. HenryLi 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How so? Jacques Pirat 12:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Numeral policy

How should we handle numbers? At the moment, I use the Gothic glyphs representing the numbers (eg. 𐌴 = 5) but underlined and bold, like 𐌴 for 5 or 5th. What should be the policy for this? Roman, Western or Gothic numerals, and if Gothic numerals, how to put them apart from normal text to increase readability?

Harðor 12:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hails Harðor,

I think it is best to use Gothic numerals. I suggest using the Greek numeral sign after every single one. 𐌴ʹ for example is 5.

Hails Harðor jah "Anonymu",

I think the best way to imitate the Gothic numeral system is to use Gothic glyphs underlined and with two numeral signs, as ʹ𐌴ʹ.--Meljands 18:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I thought middle dots (U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT) are used for numbers, for example "·𐌴·" and "·𐌺𐌴·". +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 13:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Raison d'être

why was this wiki set up. there is no one working on it and no community. the people who argued to get it weren't prepared to actually do any work on it, they thought someone else would write an encyclopedia for them!

Oh shut up you stupid git

Well you have to admit he has a point. No one is working on this Wikipedia....

Hey, I am! 𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌽𐌰𐌽𐌴𐌻 17:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Bollocks you are! Look at his contributions everyone! lol

Gothic Keyboard

I've written a little piece of JavaScript to help out with typing in the Gothic alphabet: http://marnanel.org/gothic . Let me know if you find it useful. 𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌽𐌰𐌽𐌴𐌻 00:56, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I have tried your program and I find it really useful! It makes workng on the Gothic Wikipedia much easier.--84.160.210.57 15:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

If you're on Windows 2k or XP, you want to use this.

𐍄𐌷𐌰𐍄 𐌹𐍃 𐍈𐌴𐍂𐍅 𐌽𐌹𐌸𐌴. However, the character 𐌹̈ (𐌹 with two dots above) is missing. Could you modify your applet so that shift+i produces U+10339 U+0308? 88.68.216.157 00:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what you've been doing programming the gothic fonts. Further you don't seem to recognize gothic written diskussion (see "atta unsar - diskussion"). Fact is that your mutations cannot be seen in history by all users and that not only I but also other users mutating an article are not able to save the mutated text with the given script font - although it is correctly to be seen before saving. W. B. 7.9.2005

Gothic?

Howcome nobody's conversing in Gothic here? I expected to fing a thriving community of fluent Gothic speakers here. Was this encyclopedia just set up because some goths thought it would be cool to have their own Wikipedia?

There's isn't many people who knows Gothic here. I think we're 4 to speak a bit and editing more than one time, and only one of us four speaks Gothic enough to discuss in Gothic -- Sajasazi 11:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Counting the articles

Possibly, we should count a Gothic alphabet article and its Latin transliteration as one article, not two ones? The text in both of the articles is expected to be the same, only the alphabets used are different... Besides, I hope that Gothic Wikipedia will sooner or later get an automatic convertor from one graphic system to another (as in Chinese Wikipedia, where one can choose options for showing hieroglyphs either traditional or simplified), and in that case there will no longer be necessary to write separate articles in each of the alphabets. -- Alexander Gerashchenko 15:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think there is no good reason to be writing separate articles for each of the alphabets or writing the same thing twice, especially as the two copies will never be in sync. It should be easy to have an automatic transliterator like with the Chinese Wikipedia's Traditional <---> Simplified system, but someone who knows how to and has the access has to do it has to be found. There must be a place on meta.wikipedia.org to ask for help with this one. Addendum - Gothic runes should be supported too though it appears one minor letter is missing from unicode. G0th007

I'd suggest e-mailing the wikitech-l mailing list, which the developers frequent. – Minh Nguyễn / Nguyễn Xuân Minh 04:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

latin/gotic

Shouldn't the latin alphabet/gotic alphabet versions be handled trough automatic conversion, like in sr: and zh: ?

Sure, but how ? -- Sajasazi 14:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've contacted the Chinese Wikipedia to ask. +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 12:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've messaged the person here, but he's not replying. +Hexagon1 ^(t) _{𐌷𐌴𐌺𐍃𐌰𐌲𐍉𐌽 ·𐌰·} 12:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, have just seen this after I finished below.

My suggestion was to add a tab ┌ Gothic ┐ that calls, if clicked, the whole page again preprocessed by an algorhitm that could look as follows:

   latin->gothic (text)
     ∀ text[char]  c
       (c=('<','&')) ⇒   !convert
       (c=('>',';')) ⇒   convert             { exclude HTML and &...;}
       ((convert) ∧ ('a'≤c≤'z' ∨ 'A'≤c≤'Z'))
         ⇒ print('𐌰'-'a'+lowercase(c))
         ⇏ print(c)

I think this one should work fine.

--𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 11:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia

Hello, sorry for my english. Could you maybe please make an interwikilink from en:Wikipedia to your article about wikipedia, or create that article? Thanks a lot. effe iets anders 11:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I've never installed a language pack before.

Q: I need clear, step by step instructions. I'm on windows xp.

A: Well I cant find any (WORKING) language pack for this if you find one you can just drag and drop the TTF/file in the in the font file in control panel (MOST OF THE TIME) some times its a lot harder for XP users you put the ZIPPED file in a new folder in C:(Folder Name Here) and extract the files in the folder keep the zip file and go in your fonts file click file in the upper left corner and click install new font file and when a pop up comes up look for the file you have your font/TTF/File in the C:Drive in the lower box you should see it in the upper box click on it and install it i should be working know if not find a simpler one to use or check if it has instructions.

PS: I fixed the Grammar in your Question to avoid if there is mods MODS FURY.

broken interwiki link

The link to the German wp should be de:Hauptseite, not de:Haupseite --217.83.116.48 22:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Unicode again

No idea if this is a known problem, but searching in gothic doesn't work properly. I wasn't able to find out about where there exists a certain Lemma. Searching for 𐌳𐌰𐌽𐌰𐌼𐌰𐍂𐌺𐍃 returns no matches.

I can't help noticing that most subjects discussed here are installing unicode fonts and keyboard layout. I also can picture that entering the gothic wikipedia and seeing "?????? ???" in the first place would scare off most visitors. Wouldn't it be a better idea to have a latin version ("may be up to date") only while it is still half gothic half latin and let a script do conversions between latin and gothic for those who like it?

(Sorry if this was a revenant)

--𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 09:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm already working on an automatic gothic <-> latin transcription, but it isn't done yet. -- Sajasazi 15:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, didn't know that. In heading latin/gothic i've tried myself on a simple latin->gothic (where I see no sense actually for gothic->latin) transcription algothithm. :) --𐍅𐌹𐍃𐍀𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐌽 (𐌼𐌰𐌸𐌻𐌴𐌹) 15:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• If searching in Gothic script does not work: On my computer Gothic letters show as little boxes containing SIX (not 4) hexadecimal digits. That shows that Chinese characters have hogged so much room in the 2-byte Unicode character space of 65536 characters that Gothic and other less-used alphabets have been pushed into the 3-byte Unicode character space; and the searcher likely only works with 2-byte characters. (A byte is 8 bits.) 86.138.167.240 09:33, 31 Kaldmenoþs 2009 (UTC) (en:User:Anthony Appleyard)

Bot status for PipepBot

Hello! I ask for permission to run my interwiki bot PipepBot here, and to get a bot flag for it.

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Thank you! --it:User:Pipep 06:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See below. I support allowing this bot on this wiki as long as it doesn't mess up the Gothic like some other bots. Jacques Pirat

support, he can be trusted. --Ooswesthoesbes 09:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

PipepBot has now bot status. Thank you. it:User:Pipep 16:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Bot bit request SieBot

Please give a bot bit to SieBot, so it will not flood your RC as it adds interwiki links using pywikipedia's interwiki.py. SieBot is active on 180 Wikipedias. See the user page of the bot for more details, or check a complete overview of its activities here. Cheers! Siebrand (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we only have admins here, not bureaucrats. There isn't anyone here with the permissions to give out bot flags. You'll have to go to m:Requests for permissions --Jacques Pirat 22:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a vote at the Baurgs Brunna to allow Siebot through. I as a sysop support getting the flag. Jacques Pirat 20:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

BotMultichill

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Discarding the Gothic Alphabet?

Should we not discard the gothic alphabet in order to increase the productivity on this Wikipedia? I find it kinda obstructive to read and complicated to write. The Anglo-Saxon Wikipedia is not written in runes either and flourushing!

Actually, we're waiting for someone to make it possible to write either in gothic or latin alphabet. It only needs some time. And thanks to sign your messages. -- Yadönapya 15:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It isn't actually that hard to read if you chose the right font. I actually like the alphabet, and it's easier for me to write things in the Gothic keymap. The only real issue I've found with it is that the computer treats one letter as two characters rather than one, and you have to double backspace to erase words.

And Gothic isn't as popular as Anglo-Saxon nor as well reconstructed. There is a reason why we don't have a great flow of articles. Plus if you've ever used Rune fonts you'd see they display things terribly out of proportion, and it seems that most texts we've found are written in the Latin alphabet. --Jacques Pirat 01:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon not using Runic script? Think again... ;) By the way, I wanna see some articles written here! Dont just let this wiki sit stagnant. Perhaps a good page about Wōden is in order. — Wōdenhelm 04:48, 25 Aftuma Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

• Please change to using the Roman alphabet. 86.138.167.240 22:21, 30 Kaldmenoþs 2009 (UTC) (en:User:Anthony Appleyard)

Please disregard that previous post. Write in whatever script YOUR community decides upon. Personally I'm in favor of the genuine script (do Chinese articles write in roman script? Didnt think so.), but like I said, your wiki, your choice. Wōdenhelm 15:03, 24 Fruma Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

AlleborgoBot

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Bot Status for Purbo_T

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Request bot flag for Alexbot

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Confusion of Letters

Might it be that in certain words at this page ("𐍅𐌰𐌹𐍃𐍄 𐌸𐌿? 𐌴𐌹 𐌸𐍉𐍃 𐌱𐌿𐍂𐌲𐌿𐌽𐌳𐍉𐍃 ...", "𐍅𐌹𐌺𐌹𐌵𐌹𐌸𐌰𐌽𐌰") thiuth is confused with ƕair (due of the latter's resemblance with the gree𐌺 theta)? --𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 11:38, 1 Jiuleis 2008 (UTC)

May I remind you of this my objection? Regards, 𐌷𐍂𐍉𐌸𐌱𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌷𐍄 21:08, 22 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2009 (UTC)

I don't know whether it's a problem of my PC, but I have also problems to read the gothic alphabet used in this wikipedia. Letters like the "h" have no line in the middle and the letters that actually should have lines going under the baseline don't have those lines. The "a", the "r", the "th", the "g" etc. are not shown totally. The scripture has a lot of breaks in their lines, so the letters are hard to read and are not as clear as they should be. Is this a problem of my PC? If not, the scripture should really get changed. --Zylbath 23:48, 22.02.2010 (UTC)

Category for all Runic Script pages

Can someone here create a Category for all pages which make use of the Runic script please? Thanks. — Wōdenhelm 22:03, 25 Aftuma Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

Gutarazda and Northern Caucasus

In article "Gutarazda" is written, that in gothic language spoke in Ukraine and any word about Northern Caucasus. The river Don it not Ukraine, but is Northern Caucasus. Such cities as Rostov and Taganrog also concern territorially to Northern Kaucasus.--85.26.183.48 09:42, 18 Hawimenoþs 2009 (UTC)

Where is Gothic to be spoken?

Hi there, I speak Old English, Modern German, a bit of Modern Dutch, a very small bit of Modern Icelandic, a small bit of Old High German, and now some Gothic. Is there a place on this site dedicated to speaking Gothic? Is there, maybe, also a page for the discussion of appropriate neologisms for modern ideas and terms? Be good if I could get a reply, thanks. Gott wisst

Hey, like I already said further down, there is a new association that espacially works on that questions. Forming new words, speaking in gothic etc. you could reach us at vdgs.forumieren.com. Liufos goleineis Zylbath 20:35, 12 𐍅𐌰𐍂𐌼𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Small request

Hello! I am a Polish wikipedian and I would like to ask you for your help - writing a new article about former Polish President who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983 – Lech Wałęsa. I have looked for his biography in your Wikipedia but without success. Polish Wikipedians will be grateful for your help. Thank you so much in advance! PS you can find the English version of the article here. Best wishes from Poland, Patrol110 18:20, 25 Jiuleis 2009 (UTC)

How to write the Gothic alphabet

Could anyone please maybe edit the MediaWiki:Edittools pages so that it includes all the Gothic letters? Thanks. Gott wisst 02:39, 18 Aftuma Jiuleis 2010 (UTC)

Why problems with this fonts?

I can read nearly all languages, but have problems with Amharic, some Cyrillic versions (Словѣ́ньскъ / ⰔⰎⰑⰂⰡⰐⰠⰔⰍⰟ), another language (မြန်မာဘာသာ) that I do not know. What is the reason for not seeing them? I thought that Unicode will solve all the problems. Are these languages not part of a Unicode standard? Why can the browser (Internet Explorer 8, Mozilla Firefox) can show most of them - especially Far Eastern languages - without making any modification, but not these languages and yours? Thank you for your reply. Sae1962 08:18, 17 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Install this fonts and almost all types of alphabets can be presented: Quivira, Symbola and the Deja VU fots. I promise that'll work --Saviour1981 11:19, 10 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Tatar

Dear friends, may I ask you to add a hyperlink to our Tatar Wikipedia (http://tt.wikipedia.org) to yourr Front page. Tatars - are turkic nation living in Tatarstan Republic, second biggest nation in Russian Federation. hope to hear from you soon. sincerely yours, Muhtac 22:01, 20 𐌺𐌰𐌻𐌳𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Association of the gothic language

Hey there, I have founded a few weeks ago the association of the gothic language in Germany. Its german Name is: Verein der gotischen Sprache n. e. V. It's an association to talk about gothic, to help with its developpment in discovering and at least to create a somehow neo-gothic that is complete in its grammar, applyable to the modern time and that one is able to talk freely and without any problems in it. To be part of this association you don't have to do much, just send me an email, that you want to join. Since the domicile is in Germany and most of the administration is in german, it should be needy, that you know at least a bit of german. We also have a forum for discussion and the actual work and a blog for all the results. We are also at facebook unter the Name: Verein der gotischen Sprache n. e. V. We would be glad, if you join us. You don't have to pay anything to be a member in the association and you can cancel it at the end of every month. You don't have to do anything in the association if you don't want to. Maybe you just want to be a part of it. Our forum is to be find at: vdgs.forumieren.com Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 13:13, 17 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Gothic Wikipedia

This project isn't very active, most edits are done by bot users. With all respect, why does this wiki still exist (only 267 articles in almost 7 years and no fluent speakers)? I do respect people for studying this beautiful language, but unfortunately we know too little about the Gothic language to develop a full blown encyclopedia or being able to fully converse in Gothic, which is a shame, but a fact. Servien 18:29, 15 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Servien, nds-nl is a Wikipedia in a language that isn't really a language, why does your pet project exist? I do respect you for pretending it's a language when it's not, but unfortunately it's not a language so we can't develop a full blown encyclopedia or converse in what's actually several very divergent dialects, which is a shame, but a fact. --Node ue 01:17, 24 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hi there old friend :) fortunately the Dutch, German and Danish gouvernment and the European Union disagree with you. Second of all we have an active community which can't be said about this project. Servien 20:24, 25 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I can't find a single government or institution, or more importantly a linguist, who agrees with your silly notion that NL Low Saxon is a single language, and separate from DE Low Saxon. At least Gothic is a real, single language. --Node ue 08:22, 31 𐌷𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it is time to change somethings here then. A few people have asked what right this wiki has to still exist. It is amazing that it has existed for so many years but a shame that the number of articles are so low. I would like to help out but unfortunately am I not that good at handle wikipedia. Can some one explain how to write articles with gothic alphabet? Then I will do some stuff here. Gadrauhts

Nds-nl is yet not a single language but still quite different to the rest of low german dialects. Even so are all west germanic languages not directly divided into single languages but into variations that work morely than dialects of a dialect kontinuum.

Gadrauhts, you are right. Maybe I'm gonna work here a little bit as well, so that this side could be protected from closing. But I still have personal problems with the font because it doesn't really look adequate and not really beautiful. We should maybe search for another one?! Zylbath 13:12, 17 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

WHAT??

Hello, I have a really big problem. Suddenly all the gothic scripture is away. But also the one font, not the one that is used for the mainpages titles like Waist thu. Is it only my computer that doesnt display them or has something happen with the wikipedia?? Zylbath 16:07, 20 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC

Change the name of the gothic Wikipedia

I must object to the choice of name of the wikipedia. Translitterated it is wikipedja and then for encyclopedia a word egkeiklopedja is used. First of all should it in my opinion be aigkeiklaupaidja in stead, and hence Wikipaidja in stead of Wikipedja. Secondly, I would strongly suggest another word for encyclopedia which is not a loanword. I do not have a great suggestion but something like "frodabokos" could be better. --Gadrauhts 21:00, 22 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I will correct my previous suggestion. The word for encyclopedia should be "frodibokos". Since this is a word used in plural the sentence "the free encyclopedia" would be "Þos frijons frodibokos". Wikipedia would still become "Wikipaidja" with a more correct form. --Gadrauhts 16:56, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Sounds logical. Are you well versed with picture editing progammes, so that you could make a suggestion of it? We could send that to the admins, that they could upload that to the side, where such things get changed. Zylbath 17:02, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I think I can make a suggestion for a new picture. At least I will try =) --Gadrauhts 17:14, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

My suggestion --Gadrauhts 17:50, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hey, very interesting. Thank you. But could you turn the script into bold? And why are you using he form frodibokos instead of frodabokos as the gothic word list of the email list suggests? Zylbath 02:08, 27 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Yes I can change it to bold. But first we should agree if it is correct. I use frodibokos with i instead of frodabokos with a because I based this on the noun frodei wisdom. I suppose the form with -a- is based on the adjective froþs wise. I think wisdom-book is better than wise-book. As far as I have found out, feminine in-stems get -i- as compound vowel. E.g. marei + kreitus > marikreitus. Gadrauhts 14:44, 2 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanation. That sounds totally logical and I agree. I haven't found any other mistakes, but I am not the best gothic speaker. It would be nice, if you could change it into bold and I will see, what is to be made, to make a proposal to get it changed. Zylbath 15:30, 2 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

New with bold My suggestion / Gadrauhts 14:59, 7 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll see what I can do. Zylbath 17:18, 7 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Goal for got.wikipedia

Should we put up some goals perhaps for the gothic wikipedia? At this momemt we've got 275 articles which makes us number 247 just after Ewe and befor Hausa. I would say we can reach at least 300 articles this year. That wouldn't make us pass number 245 (Min Dong) but maybe give us a chance to do that next year. Note! There is no purpose of its own to spit out articles. They should have substance and quality (rather quality than quantity). /Gadrauhts 15:35, 19 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

This goal seems possible. In the moment I have very much to do, but if that is going to be less, I can do more on this wikipedia. I think that we can reach the 300 mark at the end of the year. ;)

I have a biiig demand for the admins, to unprotect the main page. The main page is totally not up to date and you, the admins, are almost not present. I would like to work on the main page. Thank you. Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 08:42, 20 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

The goal seems day by day more impossible. I hope, that I will have some time soon, so that I can work here finally a bit more. Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 18:02, 10 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of articles

How come the numbers of articles keep decreasing all the time? Some days ago there were 279 but now they are only 277. Does someone delete articles?? If so, which ones and why? Gadrauhts 08:39, 24 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

If someone would delete articles, that would be showed at the page "Aftumistos maideineis". Your problem is the cache of your browser. It saves the page for being possible to display it faster if you open it again. But then the number doesn't change or sometimes has a different number. You could either delete the cache or click Reload. If nothing helps click on Change at the haubidaseido and then just save. This won't be shown in the aftumistos maideineis but will reload your number of articles. ;) Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 16:06, 24 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Article titles

We must agree on a standard for the titles of our articles. Shall they be written in gothic, latin or both alphabets? A lot are written gothic/latin but I prefer the system of only gothic. To make this work there should hence be created a site with the same title but written in latin which is redirected to the mainarticle. So if I write 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉 in the search field I come to the mainarticle but if I write Wiko I get redirected to 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉. The system of 𐍅𐌹𐌺𐍉/Wiko should in my opinion not exist at all. / Gadrauhts 11:59, 5 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. This is why I already changed some. The gothic alphabet isn't the hardest and the language is Gothic here and it is written in Gothic, so the articles should be that way. So, if ever you get confronted with such sides, please change them. Liufos goleineis, Zylbath 14:56, 6 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

By the way, no article with such double names is directly foundable by typing in just one part, either the gothic or the latin writing. You always have to look at the related pages where it mostly stands, but that's no solution since this is not how wikipedia has to be. Liubos goleineis, Zylbath 15:02, 6 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Fonts

I currently have several Gothic fonts installed on my PC (Windows 7, Firefox) and don't want to uninstall any of them. At the moment, Gothic texts are displayed in my browser using a small-ish "serif-style" font which I find hard to read. Does anybody know how I can get Firefox to use another allready installed font (Skeirs) instead?

I've tried Google, but to no avail. Help would be appreciated. Torana, 22:58, 25 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉

𐌷𐌰𐌹𐌻𐍃, 𐌽𐌿 𐌷𐌰𐌱𐌰𐌼 𐍅𐌴𐌹𐍃 𐌽𐌹𐌿𐌾𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉𐌽. 𐌸𐌰𐍄𐌰 𐍅𐌰𐍃 𐍆𐌹𐌻𐌿 𐌰𐍂𐌱𐌰𐌹𐌸𐍃 𐌹𐌸 𐌽𐌿 𐌿𐍃𐍃𐌰𐌹𐍈𐌹𐌸 𐌿𐌽𐍃𐌰𐍂𐌰 𐌷𐌰𐌿𐌱𐌹𐌳𐌰𐍃𐌴𐌹𐌳𐍉 𐍆𐌿𐌻𐌹 𐌱𐌰𐍄𐌹𐌶𐌰. Zylbath 17:46, 28 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2011 (UTC)