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Definite article of feminine, singular, genitive should be ΓΎizos as I recall it. The form ΓΎize only occures for masculine and neutre in plural genitive. / Gadrauhts (talk) 09:07, 4 π…πŒ΄πŒΉπŒ½πŒΌπŒ΄πŒ½π‰πŒΈπƒ 2012 (UTC)

Uf.... Even the name of our association is wrong. I really can't tell how I came to ΓΎize... I wrote down all grammar facts on cards. And there ΓΎizos is the right form. I don't know how I could make this mistake... -.-' But thanks a lot for your attention.Β ;) Zylbath (talk) 09:47, 4 π…πŒ΄πŒΉπŒ½πŒΌπŒ΄πŒ½π‰πŒΈπƒ 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I don't want to look like a smartass and I understand that it seems annoying to you, but I have been reading a lot in several Gothic grammar books and I really read in English and French, and also Dutch books about Gothic grammar that this use of sa, so and ΓΎata as definite articles is in fact a way to show the definite articles in Greek, while in native Gothic these were only used as demonstrative pronouns according to them. If you want I can cite some sources for you, but I will need some time to find them back. As for the use of sa, so and ΓΎata, we need to agree if we want to implent pure Greek grammar in a new Gothic language, while academics agree that native Gothic didn't use them, or as much as possible avoid Greek grammar use directly adapted in the Bible while it wasn't normally used in Gothic. Bokareis (talk) 14:50, 29 π…πŒ΄πŒΉπŒ½πŒΌπŒ΄πŒ½π‰πŒΈπƒ 2014 (UTC)

I do know that Gothic articles didn't match the use of articles we know today. It is only used for the Greek article, when the subject has been already mentioned before or as a demonstrative pronoun. I am aware of that. The reason why I included it here, and I am also fine with not having it, is that in most articles on this Wikipedia the authors tended to use it to introduce the subject for the first time which matches the use of articles in earlier Germanic languages, not as a mere form or grammar word but as an demonstrative pronoun, which also includes the introduction of new information. But as I said, leave it out if you want to. It's not really a biggy for me. Kevin Behrens (talk) 15:08, 29 π…πŒ΄πŒΉπŒ½πŒΌπŒ΄πŒ½π‰πŒΈπƒ 2014 (UTC)